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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1020833)
I would like the winning arguments as well... |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1020843)
Geeze Slow,
Can ya answer a question without attacking the guy asking a question? I really am trying to understand all this. But you being a butt head is pushing one way.....and it ain't you're way. Lighten up dude. Ferd |
Originally Posted by GBU-24
(Post 1020748)
Denny, Sorry to hear about your breakin...by the way...I was driving by your place...you live over there by the cul de sac, around the bend by the stop sign...right? Anyway, I saw a car parked out front the other night, I didn't think much about it since there is always a pool cleaning MX truck there everynight your gone, but I digress, sorry, there was a car parked in the driveway with plates that said "ALPA 1". Just what I saw.
All joking aside, that sucks. I agree with buy a big dog and more firearms. May I suggest an AR-15, any brand will do for close-in home defense. Cheers. Ha Ha! That's why I call her when I'm coming home from a trip........so her boyfriend has time to get his car/truck out of the driveway!!:) Damn divorce would cost too much!!:eek: I've got one big dog (a collie) but he is a pushover. Denny |
Originally Posted by hoserpilot
(Post 1020732)
Are you my old girlfriends dad???? I grew up in Bellevue and dated a Delta daughter. She lived on one of the keys in Newport shores. (actually I know its not you.....her dad retired)
I bought cameras for my house that are linked to the internet. It's fun to see what's happening while I'm on the road. You can use your phone to spy on cats, squirrels, birds, and spiders as they go pass the camera. Sorry about the theft, that sucks. You still out here? If so we should get together for a beer! Denny |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1020845)
And that was the question. In your view, what are they?
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1020847)
OK, when inside a weekend I get called up by Ferd and FeDelta maybe it's time for a board vacation.:o
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I appreciate this view point I heard a while back: Why is it that ALPA doesn't believe DL management isn't as good as LUV management? Does LUV just have smarter execs who went to better schools and know how to run a company to achieve greater efficiencies and profit margins that allow them to pay their pilots what they're worth? Or is the truth really that DL execs are actually the truly sharper suits in that they've figured the system out on how to get ALPA to manage DL's pilots' expectations?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1020725)
That is what those poor lassies have to do to put food on the table. You know they do work for O'Leary. He pays em horribly.
Oh btw their pilots are some of the worst paid in europe and they still make more than our guys. :eek: Last figure I was given was over 200K in US dollars a year. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1020779)
It's a great ancillary business. Tell me again how much those 9 dedicated freighters lost us in 2008 before the shutdown?
Point is, FedEx and UPS have created a duopoly in their overnight package delivery business. They ran ABX, DHL, and the USPS into insignficant market share. They are both extremely profitable and are paying some of the highest wage rates in the US piloting business. Their main deck freighter counterparts (Atlas, Kalitta, et. al.) pay less than us on like aircraft. APC shows Atlas at $176 per hour for a 747. Astar and ABX only have a few pilots left after massive furloughs. Because making fact based emotional arguments ( such as I'm doing the same job) hasn't worked in a long time. If they did Lloyd Hill and APA would be sitting on a 52% payraise right now and we'd pattern off of them. If they did, there wouldn't be such huge disparities in pay for pilots in the same aircraft and industry. There wouldn't be a $70 per hour difference betweek FedEx and Atlas heavy drivers. There wouldn't be a $40/hr difference between USAirways and Delta A320 pilots. Even in your personal history you joined 9E whose contract was substantially beneath CMR and ASA while you guys flew the same airplane. Why was that? All the points you raise are fact. Look at the recent history of contract negotiations. Tell me what arguments worked and which ones didn't. I'm looking for the winning argument, not the populist and feel good ones. First the 742 was a maintenance pig, and as a result had to have some very skill mechanics working on it. After the NWA Mechanic strike these skilled workers were gone and the dispatch reliability went though the floor. This was what did in the last contract that NWA had for their dedicated freighter fleet. Combine this with no fleet renewal and you have a recipe for a failed business model. There is so much cargo just waiting for be forwarded by anyone with a jet, that upstarts like Southern Air have been able to make a go at it with almost no logistics in place. The reality is Atlas/Polar is a great buyout target for any airline that wants to do cargo. If I were DAL I would be looking at operating a small fleet of dedicated freighters. I know you disagree with this. It is a fact that there are lucrative contracts in dedicated freight to be had. I have talked to our cargo managers all over the world and they all state they could fill up a cargo jet multiple times a week. There is a market there, and if done correctly, it would add to the bottom line. The only thing standing in our way is the order book that AF has for cargo jets...... |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1020804)
Who has the defeatist attitude? You?
ALPA delivered the three richest contracts in US airline history in 2000-2001 (DAL, UAL, AAA). They were destroyed in bankruptcy bargaining in the middle of the decade. The contract history came out 10 days ago. The contract comparison isn't even out yet, much less the contract survey. So you tossing out numbers must mean that's where you're comfortable... I say ALPA can do it again, but they have to get their pilots behind them. That starts with adding transparency to the process. This allows trust to enter the game, and when there is trust anything is possible. The comparison is great, but what is more important is to have the entire crew rowing in the same direction. I flying with different guys every day, and all of them are saying the same thing. I suspect the contract survey results will be an eye opener for DALPA. Guys expectations have matured over the last 18 months. |
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