Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1020679)

Hey ACL,

" DAL plus a nickel " was our mantra for the first 28 of my 30 years at FDX. Thanks to 9/11, BK, and several other factors, we finally achieved that goal.

If FDX could pattern off of DAL, reciprocity should help DAL currently. I know all the red herring arguments of different business models, different industry, etc.

Remember, neurosurgeons make essentially the same big bucks, no matter whose melon they are cutting on......just sayin'.

Regards,
BG

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020685)

Note that the companies that you mentioned are 2 of the 3 more highly paid pilot groups than Delta (UPS is the third). Is there anything else common in those groups other than higher pilot pay?;)

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1020715)

Yes! In the ones you mention only one is in alpa. Do I get a cookie.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1020596)

Thanks Ferd. I'm kind of thinking it might have been one or two teenage girls with a crowbar. Both the cop and I were wondering why the didn't just break the glass in the door (it's got an almost full length glass panel in it). It had to take them awhile to get in judging by the damage to the door. Then it seems like they made a beeline for my wifes stuff and bypassed much more lucrative booty! Some of her dresser drawers were open along with a drawer on her nightstand and makeup table. The only things we can find missing I have mentioned before. Heck, this netbook I'm typing from was sitting on the kitchen counter!!!

It seems to me this breakin was VERY unorganized which leads me to believe it was a couple of kids. I'm just shocked at the stuff they didn't take that was laying around. They are going to be very disappointed with the value if they try to fence anything!!


One of these days I'll get over to NRT when you are there!

Denny

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1020691)

Judging from the feedback I get on the line... this is certainly the case. How do you get a group off their keester that has zero trust in the processes involved, though?

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020696)

Nope, the market thinks their cargo is more valuable. I don't, but that's what the revenue numbers show.;)

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1020698)

The straw man arguement that FedEx and UPS are so different as to warrant exclusion from our compeitive peer group is completely self refuting. If all the money flying airplanes is truly into cargo as the arguement for competitive peer excusion is made, then why are those very same managers making that arguement the same ones saying there is no money in cargo? And then tripping all over themselves to sign massive postal contracts as fast as they can precicely because of how lucritive it is?

We have difficulty with payloads and performance on several long haul routes due to the tons of cargo we load, and some of those routes have nothing to do with short runways or high terrain (like ATH when we were carrying so much yogurt and/or marble we were load limited).

So if all the money is in cargo and we therefore can't throw those rates in for comparison, then why are we not going into cargo? If there's no money in cargo, how can they afford those rates?

Bottom line, they fly the same equipment in the same airspace and hire from the same talent pool of pilots as we do, and they are global powerhouses like we are. So it is pure fantasy to think they are somehow so seperate that they are irrelevant.

And absolutely ROFL @ anyone who claims SWA isn't not only a competitive peer but also an absolute floor for compensation as they are 100% relevant.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020707)

Very nice rant. If you go back, you'll see that I said FedEx and WN will be in our contract comparison.

BTW, the money isn't in cargo, it's in overnight express packages. At least according to FedEx and UPS. DHL found out it wasn't, and so is the USPS.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020690)

Hey, that's one. Can you think of any others?;)

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1020701)

Lets see... fdx has a pension- we dont (sure... some have a frozen one...), wn has less revenue per block hour yet pays their pilots up to 3 times as much per seat block hour (with that big of a discrepancy their cost structure doesnt matter anymore)... and so on... Im home visiting my parents, but when I see excrement like that thrown out there by our higher ups, I cant ignore it. Typos thanks to the ipad...


Why aren't you making these arguments as well? That is the biggest concern.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020707)

Very nice rant. If you go back, you'll see that I said FedEx and WN will be in our contract comparison.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020707)

BTW, the money isn't in cargo, it's in overnight express packages. At least according to FedEx and UPS. DHL found out it wasn't, and so is the USPS.