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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1016240)
Comair pilots, after negotiating the best regional pay and pensions in 2001, are in the 5th year of a concessionary contract signed in bankruptcy under the threat of 1113c ruling that was in favor of management.
Comair pilots, due to fleet reduction, workrules, and inefficiencies, are now making less than their peers at all other DCI carriers. Comair pilots would need more than 49% pay raise to "restore" what Delta management has taken from them. This will not happen because Comair pilots are lacking one thing... SCOPE. I don't know what Delta pilots can learn from that, but I was feeling chatty. :D We at Comair (though I am no longer there) could have "all flying will be done by pilots on the Comair seniority list" it wouldn't keep us in employed if Delta did not assign any flying to Comair. Comair would still be in compliance with the CBA and we would still be unemployed. Comair's biggest problem is leverage. They, like all other regionals, are contractors and do not ultimately control what they fly. We are dependent on someone else for work...regional management is just the middle man |
Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1016243)
Then go work for some other regional, it can't get much worse. You would upgrade faster and have a better career.
I think you may have missed the subject of my post. Other regionals don't have SCOPE either. |
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1016247)
True, but my kids like eating.
I think you may have missed the subject of my post. Other regionals don't have SCOPE either. |
Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1016250)
Blue Moon said it best in his last point.
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
(Post 1016200)
Can someone explain the SWA trips for pay for me? In their welcome package it says .74 TFP per hour min. It also says 6.5 TFP is the daily guarantee. Does that correspond to 4.8 hr daily guarantee? Seems to me that is lower than Delta REG pilot of 5:15
The 90 reserve guarantee also keeps being thrown around,but that is 90 TFP noy 90 hrs. 90 TFP equates to 66.6 hrs if I am doing my math correctly. I just don't want us to be screaming for SWA rates when we don't quite understand them. SWA is a combination of the great efficiency they use their pilots and the good duty/trip rigs, not just the pay. I do know that if we take their W-2s and fit them into what we want to work monthly we can figure out what our rate should be to surpass them, but throwing out numbers like 90 guarantee and 6.5 daily isn't great. Apple and oranges as they say. All I know is that my buddy at SWA got hired 8 months before I got hired at Delta and he makes a heck of a lot more than I do. Here is an example of an average 3 day from when I was an F/A at SWA. The pilots and F/As had different pairings since we had different duty days (ours was 10-1/2 hours max contractually) but the makeup of them was similar. Three day trip with 18:35 block and it paid 21.5 Trips For Pay. FLT DEP ARR EQ BLK GRN TFP 1956 HOU 1735 SAT 1830 700 0 55 20 100 1956 SAT 1850 PHX 2120 700 0 230 25 S 290 1956 PHX 2145 SMF 2345 700 0 200 1505 230 SMF 1405 Rls 0015 525 DUTY 740 620 1096 SMF 1450 LAS 1610 300 0 120 30 150 1096 LAS 1640 MCI 1930 300 0 250 30 S 330 3159 MCI 2000 SAN 2340 300 0 340 1450 S 430 SAN 1350 Rls 0010 750 DUTY 950 910 339 SAN 1430 LAS 1540 300 0 110 25 130 339 LAS 1605 TUL 1840 300 0 235 20 S 310 339 TUL 1900 HOU 2035 300 0 135 0 180 Rls 2105 520 DUTY 705 620 TTL 1835 BLK 2435 DUTY 2150 TFP |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1016252)
BlueMoon was smart enough to dump Comair.
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
(Post 1016097)
No worries mate, nothing wrong with SWA pilots and no disrespect to any of them. I just feel we are playing at a different level.
Instead of worshiping you for overpaying for a mediocre education, we should pass around a hat for you. You could have paid off your loans much quicker at SWA, but then again you wouldn't have been hired into a 767 and had your head pushed fully up your rear. Get real dude. Your peers are cringing - quit making them look bad. Conversely, nicely done keeping up the Riddle kids stereotype. Every one I've met is just like you. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1016222)
I think you have it backwards still. TFP's aren't hours. 1.1393 TFP is one flight hour. A 6.5 TFP day is worth 5+42 .
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Originally Posted by cfitstew
(Post 1016255)
I'm not a SWA pilot but I was a flight attendant there for 12 years and we were paid the same. In the most basic terms, we were paid by distance. 1 TRIP FOR PAY (TFP) was 243 nautical miles, or the distance from DAL to HOU. That flight was usually blocked at :50 but you were paid 1 TFP. Every city pair had a corresponding TFP value. On top of this we had trip and duty rigs which would kick in. If I remember right the minimum pay for a three day was 19.5 TFP and 26.5 TFP for a four day. Hope this makes sense.
Here is an example of an average 3 day from when I was an F/A at SWA. The pilots and F/As had different pairings since we had different duty days (ours was 10-1/2 hours max contractually) but the makeup of them was similar. Three day trip with 18:35 block and it paid 21.5 Trips For Pay. FLT DEP ARR EQ BLK GRN TFP 1956 HOU 1735 SAT 1830 700 0 55 20 100 1956 SAT 1850 PHX 2120 700 0 230 25 S 290 1956 PHX 2145 SMF 2345 700 0 200 1505 230 SMF 1405 Rls 0015 525 DUTY 740 620 1096 SMF 1450 LAS 1610 300 0 120 30 150 1096 LAS 1640 MCI 1930 300 0 250 30 S 330 3159 MCI 2000 SAN 2340 300 0 340 1450 S 430 SAN 1350 Rls 0010 750 DUTY 950 910 339 SAN 1430 LAS 1540 300 0 110 25 130 339 LAS 1605 TUL 1840 300 0 235 20 S 310 339 TUL 1900 HOU 2035 300 0 135 0 180 Rls 2105 520 DUTY 705 620 TTL 1835 BLK 2435 DUTY 2150 TFP http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/writin...es/rose_lg.jpg |
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