Never did I say such a thing. I said "we", not "me", nor "I". Don't take it out of context and my whole point was that Delta is at a different level than SWA. If you doubt that you might want to study up a little bit.

If my post came out as offensive to any SWA pilots, please accept my apologies as it was not ment to in any way, shape, or form.

As for my Riddle experience, it was a very long time ago and not comparable to what Riddle is today, neither was it an easy four years and I, like many of my peers worked our tails off to succeed there.

Read read it, I saw the status quo as what we had pre 1996. That was when I got in to this, I saw C2K as a move back toward the status quo. Not what we have today. Far from it brother.

I have high expectations for this next contract. Whether it be an extension or section six, I want back what you lost, and I never was able to attain. I see a company that is projecting 1.8 billion a year in free cash flow. I am sure that figure includes new jets. All of that is based upon the revenue we are creating in this downturn, not the revenue we will make when the economy truly recovers.

I see it as a must to look at DAL as a 25-40 billion dollar a year company. We will probably see more consolidation to further help that number. Because of where I see the financial viability of DAL heading, we must let our pilots understand that, along with our fellow pilots in talks; UCAL, AMR, that great process is not just desired, but attainable.

We talked about not talking about this stuff six plus months ago, but even with oil in the 90+ range, DAL will make money for the second quarter. Just imagine what happens, when people really start flying, and capacity is increased.

He doesn't, he is just a little too eager to see our current representation stay put. Don't worry, next time I see him, I will have him fill out the card, give him some good info, set him straight, and mail in the card for him.... :D

Serious Question
 

I've been reading and watching the debate about the upcoming contact and one question stands out.

What would Delta pilots have to give up (if anything) to get scope back. If you were able to hold scope to anything over 50 seats is flown my mainline, what do you think Delta Management would require?

I'm really not trying to be a wise guy, but I do know that anytime you try to get back what was given up in previous contracts, it comes at a cost.

Secondly, do you think taking back your scope would require loosening some of the work rules?

Thank you for your replies.

TC

We'll be breaking that chain of sickness this time around. We lost so much in BK in order to SAVE OUR COMAPNY, that we need many gains in many areas. Notice I said GAINS...not cost neutral gains...but GAINS.

The days of giving something up in order to gain something for cost neutrality died when we emerged from BK. We all have to understand that our company's imminent demise is no longer here. This next contract will need to be pure gains...no givebacks.

Carl

It's great to think about, and it's a good academic exercise, but we will not be taking back any scope. There are no amount of concessions we could give that would entice the company into bringing back the RJs.

Nice idea, but move on to something that is achievable.

Hmmm, Hawaiian just became the owner of 15 717s in addition to leasing 3 more 717s.
The 717s were about 15.3M each all-in...

That would make Hawaiian a more juicy takeover target as a purchaser would actually gain ownership in airframes instead of just taking over lease payments...

Hmmmm

Cheers
George

They also have some juicy A350s coming as well.

YES, Somebody gets it!

Once there is finally a mini-80, I'm buying them this shirt:

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