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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1016580)

So now the company puts a letter in your file if you use the UTCP? Excuse me? You make a policy to help us, then threaten us for using it?

Wow - I'm at a loss for words at the letter I saw. When they said, that the policy "should be used a few times in a career", they basically meant once a decade. (few times = 3-4 is my guess, many people will have 30 year careers...)

Is the company that oblivious to the way a plane fills up overnight for no apparent reason (I've seen planes go from 30 open seats to oversold overnite, no cancellations or weather) or other issues beyond the control of the commuter?

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1016591)

Really? Are those that use the UTCP asked to sign this said letter or does it lurk mysteriously in there until one asks to review their file? Are people who use the UTCP notified of the existence of a "letter"?

Anyone with first hand knowledge of this? If so, what what does the letter state?

If true, sounds like the letters, that were eventually squashed by ALPA, that they'd have pilots sign if they called in sick prior to a scheduled furlough.

Alledgedly, a penguin from the floor and the base CP would "council" one and have them sign a reliabilty letter.

I don't believe it has to be signed.

So, what I'm seeing is that we have a UTCP in name only.

In other news, 15% = "hell no" vote.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1016670)

I don't believe it has to be signed, but WRT what it says you can reference below.

From what I hear, plenty of stuff ends up in your file without you ever signing it.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1016548)

Thanks for clearing that up. Now... hopefully you will stick to it.

Always been my position but talking percentages over a year and a half out made little sense. I like you want the career back.

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 1016675)

So, what I'm seeing is that we have a UTCP in name only.

In other news, 15% = "hell no" vote.

When it was introduced, the tone of the letters introducing it was very demeaning. I was offended by it. The NWA policy was no questions asked, use it as many times as you want. Giving the policy to the flight attendants was a mistake. They are a less accountable group as a whole and easier to replace (a flight attendant is not airplane or seat specific like a pilot). Instead of just taking the policy away, the company is going to eliminate it informally through intimidation. We are running 95 percent load factors this weekend. Non-revs cannot get anywhere.

Super and Johnso,

Thanks for the response on the "letter". It is very sad that this is what the management is resorting to with the policy.

Effectively, it is not the same policy that NWA wisely adopted, that apparently saved them a significant amount of money over the term of it.

It is a curious but predictable action.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1016441)

I've been reading and watching the debate about the upcoming contact and one question stands out.

What would Delta pilots have to give up (if anything) to get scope back. If you were able to hold scope to anything over 50 seats is flown my mainline, what do you think Delta Management would require?

I'm really not trying to be a wise guy, but I do know that anytime you try to get back what was given up in previous contracts, it comes at a cost.

Secondly, do you think taking back your scope would require loosening some of the work rules?

Thank you for your replies.

TC

Well... d'oh, Carl already got to say it...

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1016450)

We'll be breaking that chain of sickness this time around. We lost so much in BK in order to SAVE OUR COMAPNY, that we need many gains in many areas. Notice I said GAINS...not cost neutral gains...but GAINS.

The days of giving something up in order to gain something for cost neutrality died when we emerged from BK. We all have to understand that our company's imminent demise is no longer here. This next contract will need to be pure gains...no givebacks.

Carl

Well said Carl. Pay cuts helped the compan(ies) survive, scope relaxation allowed both companies to perform a short term outsourcing concept that turned out to be a failure and now harms everyone involved except the Skywests and Bedford's of the world.

Scope gains we're already paid for.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1016680)

From what I hear, plenty of stuff ends up in your file without you ever signing it.

I don't believe you. Give me your deltanet and icrew sign in and let me do some stuff and let's see if they end up putting stuff in your file... :D

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1016487)

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