Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1080068)

I wouldnt say he has almost 4000 pilots behind him. I think the more appropriate statement is that almost 4000 pilots have submitted a DPA card. Whether all are behind him is a entirely different argument.

I'm not trying to call you out. I'm merely pointing out the very good possibility that some guys submitted the DPA card solely to poke ALPA in the eye. Some would likely still vote NO for DPA.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1080174)

Dear model citezen,

You can do your own homework for the specific airports you want (it's FAA public data), but to answer a few of your questions...

I chose all 5 basin airports because LAX pilots at one time flew out of all 5. Had I not put all 5 you would have complained that I masked pulldowns in the satellite airports (which I didn't). Those passenger counts are Delta (including NWA as they reported separately in 2008/9) mainline only and are pax that boarded Delta metal. Delta doesn't appear in the BUR and LGB stats 2008-2010. Alaska does not include Horizon as Horizon reports separately. In 2010 SkyWest was actually larger than Alaska in the basin by 120,000 passengers.

So the numbers I gave were Delta mainline from 3 airports compared to Alaska from 5. In LAX Alaska's share of pax has dropped from 1,368,000 in 2008 to 1,291,000 in 2010. FWIW, SkyWest's 2010 share was 300,000 passengers greater than Alaska in LAX.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1080181)

Slow,

I'll admit I have no stats. But, it does seem that Alaska give up cities to Skywest that we never flew from/to and picks up places (like Hawaii) that we pull out of.

The whole issue is a morale killer out west and the company or the union doesn't seem to care. As was said, it doesn't effect ATL so who cares?

Ferd <------ issue just wares me out:(

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1079957)

Lots of great things in your post. You however left out the most important part. How do you play hardball. Let me hear your suggestions as to what DALPA should do to play hardball. I don't mean the opener. DALPA can open for anything they want. What I mean is how do you produce a outcome within the bounds of the RLA and NMB. That is the key to everything yet never seems to be discussed here.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1080200)

That's because you don't listen. But, just for you I'll say again how we do it: We throw the SWAPA contract on the table and say that we will take every page of this contract plus 5% pay premiums for the 88, then up from there based on seat capacity. Now, when the company screams like a stuck pig, here's how you play hardball: You simply say, "you want to call the NMB or should we?

Carl

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1080203)

Didn't quite think that one all the way through, did you Carl?

How about those lance captains, eh??

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1080213)

I dont know the manning numbers at swa, ie how many captains, how many lance captains and how many fos. My understanding is that the lance captains are upgraded captains who bid as fo's waiting for a capt seat to open up, but who can pick up opentime capt trips.

All trips picked up from open time are premium pay.

Many sw pilots drop their entire month and fly nothing but premium pay trips from opentime.

If every dal lineholder dropped his entire month and put in nothing but greenslips, we wouldnt hit premium pay until we were at the threshhold (72hrs?)

I think I could live with lance captains for all scope reeled in, all opentime paid premium, cheap great healthcare, etc.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1080179)

FTB,

I don't really think the CPO's knows what's going on. I flew with a DTW CP, who told me they didn't even know the 50 320 crews(being displaced to start the ATL category)would come from DTW until the memo was released. Apparently Crew Resources keeps things quiet. FWIW.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1080213)

I dont know the manning numbers at swa, ie how many captains, how many lance captains and how many fos. My understanding is that the lance captains are upgraded captains who bid as fo's waiting for a capt seat to open up, but who can pick up opentime capt trips.

All trips picked up from open time are premium pay.

Many sw pilots drop their entire month and fly nothing but premium pay trips from opentime.

If every dal lineholder dropped his entire month and put in nothing but greenslips, we wouldnt hit premium pay until we were at the threshhold (72hrs?)

I think I could live with lance captains for all scope reeled in, all opentime paid premium, cheap great healthcare, etc.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1080060)

You sure sound like a rep, and that DPA guy has plenty of legit people
already working on recruitment, which is growing by the day. If the eventual TA isn't good, look for a vote soon after. It's great you discount almost 4000 pilots who are obviously disgruntled.(sounds like ALPA to me) Oh, you forgot about them.... And that number will grow. Tell the other reps that please. And are my expectations easily managed by this discussion, or the fact that reps are repeating what you are saying? That's the scary part. Look, tell the negotiators and your bosses to get us
a great TA, ok? Why do you say Donut people on here, too? Are you scared the DALPA forum people may get mad at you like they do in Hanger Talk? Don't be scared....