The formatting won't stick with this, but here is the table for PWA Section 3.E.1 from the August, 1990 contract for 2 man aircraft. Note the change of percentage pay (B-scale reduction) on September 1, 1992. 3 man aircraft (L1011, B727) received the increase to 1980 contract percentages as well.

Year 9/1/90 9/1/92
2 45% 45%
3 54% 54%
4 55% 63.1%
5 57% 64.1%
6 65.2% 65.2%
7 66% 66%
8 67.0% 67%
9 67.2% 67.2%
10 67.6% 67.6%
11 67.7% 67.7%
12 67.8% 67.8%

These same payscale percentages are reflected in the 01 January 1999 payrate table. C2K established year one pay and increased the percentages of year 2 and 3 pay. It also established a greatly increased "entry level pilot" pay and a 400 hour probation period vice the previous calendar year.

So you don't remember anything about us having a substantially lower pay scale in the 1998 time frame for the first few years (maybe year 1 through 3, 4, or 5?) and then it jumped up to a normal progression with the rest of the rates... and then we eliminated that and the year 2 through 4 or 5 rates jumped up substantially to match the normal progression of the subsequent year rates? I know I didn't dream this. Whether it was technically called a B scale, I don't know for sure. I know that's what everyone I knew called it.

In any case, none of this changes the point (which I'm sure Slow was hoping to bury) that all of us have been on a de facto B scale for the past HALF DECADE.

Just curious, what was the payscale you operated under at TWA in 1997 versus the payscale that you operated under at Delta in 1999?

Interesting.

As far as I know, the percentage of F/O pay to Capt pay did not change when we took our pay cuts, right? So the percentages in our current contract should be roughly the same as they were in C2K, right? Well, here's what I get for today's percentages, using the 2011 MD-88 pay rates:

Year
2 - 53.5%
3 - 62.1%
4 - 63.1%
5 - 64.1%
6 - 65.2%
7 - 66.5%

So maybe it was a 3 year B scale? (or whatever you want to call it)

Alright Alright..........I'll switch to Jack while they replenish the stock:eek:

Home from the CQ wars, employed for another year........idiots:D

It doesn't matter how many times you try to make that point, it's irrelevant. Almost everybody here at Delta worked in previous pilot jobs that paid less at some point. And 1989-1997 was a very different world from today in terms of airline pilot compensation. Delta got C2K with TWA pilots being paid less than industry standard at the time. Give it up, Slow. You just come off as looking desperate.

And, no, I don't remember the payscale at TWA in 1997.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think you are thinking of the percentage of Captain pay jump one gets from completing year 2 and going to year 3. There is an 8 percent bump (49% to 57% of Capt. pay)

I'll definitely agree that all of us have been on a defacto B-Scale and that needs to be remedied at the earliest possible time. The last few years I've made less as a 76er capt than I did as an MD-11 FO 1999-2001. DOH!:mad:

Denny

And you come off looking hypocritical.

But you do an entertaining cheer routine!:p

I'm going to have to go back and look again. The B-scale elimination was one of the major selling points of Contract 1990.

Edit: B-scale was reduced to 3 years in C90. It was eliminated in C2K. My apologies for the error.

This does support Sailingfun's argument that there has been a lot of money thrown at what can only be considered junior and profession issues. Eliminating the B-scale didn't help senior guys one bit. Raising entry level pay and modifying probation didn't help senior guys. Targeted DC didn't help senior guys. Yet these same senior guys (many no longer here) get lambasted.

Lol Ferd! You kill me! :D