Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1045418)

Can you provide something other than your memory? I"ll post the contract language percentages tomorrow, Scam. You're wrong.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1045336)

I lurk much more than post and this place just isn't the same without Carl. Good to see you back. I love that one of our most senior gives the establishment absolute fits!!

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1045253)

I'm completely opposed to b scale as well, but the reality is that we never got rid of it, we just turned it into a c scale and transferred the jobs to another company. Then we all voted to put our entire seniority list on a new b scale.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1045254)

That is so true. Sailingfun just did ANOTHER 5 years on B-scale, and he doesn't even seem to know it! :eek:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1045320)

Thanks man. Good to be back.

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1045378)

B Scale "isn't fair" because it treats similarly situated pilots differently. Pilots flying the same equipment over the same routes are paid differently for the same work.

The preferred method is to pay according to the productivity of the aircraft. Everyone gets paid the same, then as they have the seniority to bid a more productive jet, they can.

ALPA's fear was that bigger airplanes would be parked in favor of smaller aircraft. Hence, put the smaller jets off the property and try to restrict their number.

There is a difference between "we want no scope erosion" and "we WANT to fly anything over 76 seats." I'm not sure ALPA has turned the corner and supports the idea of these jets coming to mainline.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1045431)

No, memory only. I've scoured the internet and cant find any details, but I am pretty sure the b scaled died in late 1998.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1045505)

That's what I'm remembering too, scambo. It was somewhere in that time period... definitely after I got here. I remember they made a big deal about the fact that the B-scale was finally gone. I wish I had saved all the ALPA stuff from back then, because I'm pretty sure they put that in writing somewhere.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1045431)

No, memory only. I've scoured the internet and cant find any details, but I am pretty sure the b scaled died in late 1998.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1045523)

Contract 96 was a concessionary contract (2% paycuts plus Sunshine). Leo the CEO took over 01Sep97. The Spring 1998 MEC meeting was the famous "a contract is a contract" meeting.

Exactly when in 1998 would management have agreed to eliminate the B-scale?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1045527)

I gotta agree with Slowplay on this one. As a 1988 hire I spent, almost exactly to the day, 4 years on the "official" B-Scale. I remember in my interviews being asked if I had a problem with it..... At the time of the interview I didn't because I was not on property.....

It went away with the '92 contract. There have been a few other payrates called a B-Scale (Delta Express come to mind) but the official contractual pre-merger Delta B-Scale ended in '92.

Denny