In one of the road shows in the SWA crew rooms their management stated they're not getting rid of the 717s... in 2011. Funny to add in the year.

I wonder if they don't want to get rid of an airplane in the midst of the merger?

But, it'll take time to ramp up a program anyways especially since right now it'd have to be a separate category and there you can take the 20 from Boeing (YX airplanes I believe?) and then mix in the others later.

It's just flat out interesting that airplanes were taken off the market. If it is Delta that got them then I have to believe something has been worked out with SWA?

Here Scambo, I'll throw some Carl chum in the water...

I personally think I was wrong about DPA and ALPA. ALPA has been around longer, they have better lawyers, they've got numbers we don't, they know what the company can afford, I'm going to take their word for it.

As to regionals and scope, that cats out of the bag thanks to the pilots of yesteryear. We cannot put that back together, it's a nonstarter. To take a firm position with scope is shooting yourself in the foot going into negotiations, you just don't do that.

What else? :D

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^^^ If that was me, I believe my last words would evidently be 4 letters long with a lot of "oh's" in there.

Contract question...
 

sorry if this is another repeat question!

if a domestic 767 guy is rerouted mid rotation and taken of a domestic trip to fly (one leg) of a 7ER trip...doesn't that one leg (part of 7ER rotation) pay like a greenslip?

i remember this as a side letter or something but can't find it.

also, do you start with scheduling, then CPO, then union?

THX

Bombardier Aerospace Announces the Retirement of Gary Scott, President, Bombardier Commercial Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance

For another dot, Gary Scott, the head of Commercial aircraft at Bombardier, suddenly announced his retirement this week. I doubt he would be leaving if a large Major airline order were imminent or at least progressive talks taking place.

Sailingfun had a good post on this airplane order. He basically stated the 737-900ER fills in for some 757's as they retire.

Delta wants a 140 seat airplane, which is larger than the E190 and the C Series.

Now my opinion:

Delta apparently wants to replace the MD88 with an airplane of similar capacity. That leaves an enormous capacity gap between 76 and 142/160 seats. IMHO the company is waiting out a worse downturn which might give them the opportunity to close the 100 seat order during concessionary negotiations. The Company is biding their time until attrition picks up and the scope loss would not be felt by those currently on our list.

If this were you (holding the bang-stick), you'd probably be thinking something along the lines of "this is going to hurt you a lot more than it's going to hurt me". Have you ever seen what a 12 gauge shotgun shell does to an animal, when discharged underwater. This guy is about to, literally, tear that fish into two dead, quivering pieces. Not pretty to watch, unless you hate sharks...

Unless that's one of Boeing's new composite Great Whites. One 12ga shell isn't gonna do much except make his ears pop. :D

Why would we negotiate a concessionary contract when Delta is profitable? Ain't happening. Not buying it. If Delta is making money now, they're in a position to make LOADS when the economy comes back to full swing. To think otherwise is foolish. Management will have ZERO to base the need for a concessionary contract on, because not only are we making money but also paying off debt at an impressive rate while giving money to Aeromexico and BUYING 100 737-900ERs.

Your point may have gone right over my head, but I truly believe that our current NC will not even present a TA that has any scope relief. PERIOD.

The OUT signal is generated when the parking brake is releases for the first time after ALL the doors are closed. It does record the first INS movement, but the OUT time is from the parking brake release.
Also, it records the time between the IN time and when the boarding door is opened. So, you can reset the brake just before the door is opened, but the system will record that.

I like the system because it takes the beacon out of the process, and will return it to it's primary safety function.

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I personally think I was wrong about DPA and ALPA. ALPA has been around longer, they have better lawyers, they've got numbers we don't, they know what the company can afford, I'm going to take their word for it.


Just tossing this out for discussion.

Several "apologists" have stated how great EF&A is ... and I'm not saying they are not. However, they have used as evidence of their greatness that many company management teams have used the EF&A numbers during negotiation...deferring to their greatness.

I would think that if the companies are deferring to EF&A, it is because their numbers are beneficial to the companies, not to the pilots.

Just a thought.