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sailingfun 07-09-2011 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1020321)
What if they did and one pilot group wanted to "deal an ace" to management to undercut other groups. What is the penalty? Thrown out of ALPA? OK, but they still get all the work. It would have to be enforceable.

Additionally, even if it were enforceable, ALPA would have to have significant other minimum standards. What good is a high pay rate if you have zero rigs, zero min days off, no monthly guarantee, no block or better, no retirement contribution, fly to the FAR's only, no work rules and no vacation, no per diem and no hotels on the overnights?

You would need a minimum contract standard and every single item would need to be fairly strong. You would also need it to be enforceable enough that the occasional carrier may have to liquidate ratner than go one penny below it. That is the challenge.

You can't enforce minimum standards on contracts across different unions. IT would be a violation of the RLA. You can try and pattern bargin to a extent but to have a union minimum like many plumbers as a example is illegal. To have any chance of a system like the above to have any chance of working the union would also have to be in charge of hiring and firing. Not something management is likely to give up.
The last part about one pay for all is actually kind of funny. I have worked a lot of jobs and industries. Every single one rewards a employee with higher pay based on length of service. In fact every one set pay based on three criteria. Length of service, revenue generation and responsibility. Taking us out of the type of system would be a big mistake.
The only reason pilots make what they do today is the constant increase in size of the average aircraft in the fleets. Thats going to continue. Its happening at Delta as we speak. Each nine retired and replaced with a MD90 is a pay raise for someone. Limited runways are going to drive airlines to ever larger fleets regardless of the posts on here. Give up those raises and you have to fight even harder for baseline raises.

hockeypilot44 07-09-2011 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1020355)
New,

I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.

I've flown the 88,9, and 320. I would recommend the 320 with the electric seats. Hopefully the mechanical seats on the 320's start breaking as Airbus doesn't even make them anymore. They have been replacing them with electric seats.

DAL 88 Driver 07-09-2011 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1020355)
New,

I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.

Yeah, when the lumbar support isn't broken. I flew the 88 for 12 years and moved over to the 9 a little over a year ago. I actually think the 9 seats are slightly more comfortable. The 88 seats are easier to adjust. I found myself having to write up 88 seat cushions several times because they were so worn out it was like sitting on a wooden bench. I've never had to do that on the 9. Hopefully they're maintaining them better now on the 88.

Carl Spackler 07-09-2011 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by poostain (Post 1020275)
He and 13 other reps thinks the timing is bad, especially because dalpa asked for early openers.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1020285)
Speaking of Poo....I was not aware that the company has asked for early openers. Interesting...cue Bar for his interpretation.

Nu


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1020294)
I wasn't aware of that either.

If you read the first post that I underlined, you'll see Mr. Stain said "dalpa" asked for early openers...not the company.

Carl

scambo1 07-09-2011 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1020217)
Yes, but the issue is pilots receive this after using the UTCP only ONE time. This letter comes of as a disciplinary letter with an almost scolding tone. It's has a 'We will let it slide this time, but don't let it happen again' feel to it. Bottom line, that's not something that makes people feel comfortable using it.

The original intent of this program was for it to be mutually beneficial, and if the company comes across with this attitude the 1st time you use it, it is likely that guys will not use it in fear of reprimand. It's silly you receive this letter after you've used it ONCE. I can understand if there is a pattern of abuse by a particular individual, but this letter is over the top IMO.

It may not be the companies intent to come off the way they do, but I think many will perceive it as a threat.


Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the "discipline" letters, I think they are shortsighted. I would prefer a greatly expanded commuter policy than this one - essentially positive space to work.

Commuting sucks, I've done it for several years, it sucks. I dont even like flying in the back of a plane.

My only point is, in the original JG letter, there was the "discuss it with the CP" and the policy may have to be revisited if it doesnt work (which I took as meaning done away with.) That is standard policy writing 101.

Now the bigger and more shortsighted aspect of it is: You manage people the way you feel they (and you) should be managed. The disciplin-ish letter says a lot about that particular CP's sentiment toward line pilots and also about his sentiment toward himself.

If he feels that he must document every interaction with a pilot in order to have a chain of paper work in the event that said pilot would be eventually terminated, he needs to be terminated from being a CP. If his directions come from a managerial leadership its out of his hands, if not, it is him.

scambo1 07-09-2011 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1020297)
Do not ask ALPA to do something national. Also, do not stare directly at ALPA and always refer to them in the third person


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Pineapple Guy 07-09-2011 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020328)
LBP isn't gonna make a junior guy senior, but it will give him more options.

You're right. He will have the option to be JUNIOR on ANY airplane he wants. Woo Hoo. But he won't have the option to be SENIOR on any, as is the case today.


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020328)
They might be paying more for a pilot sitting in the left seat of an RJ, but they might be paying less for a guy sitting in the left seat of a 777. It all balances.

I don't think so. You have just made the case for DAL to replace every two M88s with one 767. Pilot costs instantly drop by 50% as half the list gets furloughed. You do realize that a 777 can generate more revenue for DAL than an M88, don't you? And thus, ALPA can make a financial case to justify paying those pilots more. And DAL can afford it. Econ 101.


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020328)
PG gave me a pass... :rolleyes: His glass is half empty.. mine is half full. His argument is no more "logical" than mine.

BS x 3. I'm still waiting for an actual argument from you. You simply say I'm wrong - with nothing to back it up.


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020328)
He thinks there should be pain involved in every decision that a pilot makes. THAT is why he's wrong. /rant...

BS - again


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020328)
Anyway, more pilots will make more money instead of the old and senior few.

Here you go again. Everyone makes more money, but the system is cost neutral. How's that math work??

MoonShot 07-09-2011 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1020343)
I just looked at the seniority calculator. It's depressing. In 5 years. I'll be about 11,100 (after 9 years at company). I'm looking at about a 17-18 year upgrade. My captain seems older so I asked him when he's going to retire. He said "about 2 years." I just looked up his name. He's 63. At least he's honest.

You'll be a sub 5000 number, based on age 65 only, after 17 years. I think you'll hold captain before then...

Bill Lumberg 07-09-2011 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1020138)
Slow, there is not "my." As for scope sales, your are correct, the group will decide. It would be better for the Union to just take a position that scope is not for sale, but we both know that will not happen. With that statement absent from the leadership, pilots start to wonder. We also know that if a minor concession comes about, the group will be looking the shinny ball attached.

I will admit that I have been generally surprised by the level of mistrust people have in their bargaining agent.

I say we call their bluff. Say we don't want new planes, just the money and tighter scope. Why should we subsidize new planes? They will be ordered regardless.

contrails 07-09-2011 06:09 PM

Announcements pending for Virgin Australia - Wings Down Under

Virgin Australia is expected to make the most of Sir Richard Branson's ongoing visit to Australia by disclosing strategic decisions. The Virgin Group founder is in Australia for charity talks, announced Virgin's eucalyptus biofuel project, and is having some mid-flight fun with toilet paper.

Some announcements were due to be released late last week but were held for undisclosed reasons, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Here are some possibilities of what this week's announcements will be.

PERTH EXPANSION
Virgin has committed to basing two Boeing 737-800 aircraft in Perth, likely for deployment to Southeast Asia. Favoured routes are Perth-Singapore, which ties in with Virgin's pending alliance with Singapore Airlines, as well as Perth-Kota Kinabalu in Malaysian Borneo.

NEW IFE
Negotiations earlier this year between Virgin and Panasonic, the vendor of the Red in-flight entertainment system used by V Australia and sister carrier Virgin America, reached a stalemate over licensing arrangements. At the carrier's May re-branding unveiling, Branson confirmed Virgin Australia would have an IFE solution, although he did not disclose specifics.

MORE A330s
This is always a question of when, not if, with the current announced count at 6 and plans for expansion to approximately 16 frames. The real question is if Virgin will be able to secure slots from Airbus and lessors for factory-fresh A330s (as it is doing for its third and fourth A330s) or if it will have to relegate itself to old A330s (such as A330 aircraft one, two, five, and six from Emirates). The first two A330s have had a number of maintenance problems that have forced them off Sydney-Perth services, exemplifying why Virgin only likes to keep aircraft for 6-7 years, but 787 delays have meant there is a tight supply of A330s.

PACIFIC A330 EXPANSION
In addition to next February's Brisbane-Singapore-Abu Dhabi route, Virgin could be looking at deploying A330s to other blue-chip Asian ports. (If it is Hong Kong, Virgin Atlantic will not welcome its Australian sister.) Virgin is also evaluating routing A330s to North America via Auckland, as Qantas does.

DELTA-V SHUFFLE
Following final United States Department of Transportation approval for the Delta-V Australia joint-venture, Delta is expected to take over V Australia's thrice-weekly trans-Pacific route into Melbourne while V Australia deploys its freed capacity to Brisbane, which currently has thrice-weekly service that could be expanded to six weekly trans-Pacific flights.


Stay tuned.


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