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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1020651)

What I find very interesting is that pilots are running all over an airport to catch a commute to work, and the FA's are just sitting though one flight to get their PSY ticket. I see it all of the time out of DFW and frankly it is very frustrating because they really do not care. Furthermore they feel that it is not their right to do this since the company gave them the policy. I had one tell me that the company knew this was going to happen, and now that they gave it to us, it is what it is. It is part of the problem with these "me too" policies.

I have seen the exact same thing. One particular new hire FA got her positive space pass and then got on the plane without needing it. I told her to call her schedulers and undo the PS pass because in reality it was silver bullet, not something you just use. She had no idea.

I wonder if the FA side of the house administers the policy differently. I have never been a fan of "me too."

just got a samsung galaxy 10.1 tablet. Which browser will work with Icrew with Android 3.1 OS?

Thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1020617)

How can we? You have all the answers..

OK, t, I give up.

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Originally Posted by tsquared030 (Post 1020645)

It's not a FREE wake-up card.

DPA will file for an election the second they get the minimum number of cards. We then go into a protracted process to determine which will represent us.
At that point, DAL just sits back and says, "Call us when you are ready. We're happy to keep paying you JCBA wages."
I want more money, no give on scope and I want it sooner than later...lots sooner.
The great danger that DPA poses, IMO, is pushing back the time line for ANY improvement.

T

I have heard that our dues gave ALPA over $30 million last year alone. Could the DPA hire some good lawyers and negotiators with that? Sure they could. I would rather have a better contract via someone who listens to us than a mediocre one via someone who listens to us, the company, and RJ pilots. If the contract come a bit later, that means larger retro check. I want a union that fights for us!

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1020671)

Hear Hear!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1020646)

He makes a really good point. It would happen over time. That is why the Junior pilots are Flying International for may of the European airlines. Day turns are mo betta than the international stuff for older pilots.

That said, my point with LBP was this: We have 32(31) jets in the highest paying category, the AF JV (given how they are paid and how we are paid, along with the Import-Export Bank advantages given to foreign carriers) tilts bigger metal going to overseas airlines and 330/ER time being sent our way. It also means we will fly more block hrs in this pay area. Given these facts/observations, it would make sense to 1) look at advantages/disadvantages to a LBP system or some sort of modification to our current tiered system. In other words, put good capital where the lion's share of the growth of our fleet will be.

Also, I know that many people feel that getting 73n/320 rates above the SWA line is doable, but to raise the rates above these jets will be harder due to the industry pay rate averages right now. I disagree as we saw pre CH11 the widebody rates were always well above that of the 73N. The only difference this time is that we are dealing with a different industry. That is also why it is imperative to have the FDX and UPS PWA/CBA's included. They are relevant.

Given these two points, we are at a crossroads of what our future fleet will look like. We need to decide to include the FDX/UPS rates then fight with vigor, or look at a different way of compensating our members. The point is to discuss the issue so you can give pertinent input to your reps. The first step in this in acknowledging what trends the JVs and Alliances have created for US carriers.

Hey ACL,

" DAL plus a nickel " was our mantra for the first 28 of my 30 years at FDX. Thanks to 9/11, BK, and several other factors, we finally achieved that goal.

If FDX could pattern off of DAL, reciprocity should help DAL currently.
I know all the red herring arguments of different business models, different industry, etc.

Remember, neurosurgeons make essentially the same big bucks, no matter whose melon they are cutting on......just sayin'.

Regards,
BG

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Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1020679)

If you listen to sailing, slow, alfa, and PG, then FDX is not one of our peers. :mad:

I got calls from DL, WN, and FDX (neither of which are our peers??) within 3 weeks of each other, all to do the same top notch job. I expect to be paid as such.

And some people wonder why I'm pretty sure our entrenched core is beyond recovery...

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Originally Posted by Maddoggin (Post 1020654)

How soon you talking? Should I start planning a trip later this year:)

Probably not. I would say two years or so. When we applied for ATI with V Australia, we included New Zealand. I suspect we could find the loads for thrice weekly service from the US. From ATL would be great, but it will probably be LA. ( I would not see too many flights added to LAX until the terminal remodel is done, and that should take a year)

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1020681)

I got calls from DL, WN, and FDX (neither of which are our peers??) within 3 weeks of each other, all to do the same top notch job.

What happened? You haven't been doing a top notch job since you've been here?:p

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1020681)

If you listen to sailing, slow, alfa, and PG, then FDX is not one of our peers. :mad:

FDX is in a different, rational industry, one that only has two real domestic competitors in the whole market. Even though fNWA had a freight division they never included the overnight express carriers in their contract comparison. I am told they will be in ours.

WN is in the same industry with a different business model. They will be included in the comparison.

Note that the companies that you mentioned are 2 of the 3 more highly paid pilot groups than Delta (UPS is the third). Is there anything else common in those groups other than higher pilot pay?;)

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Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1020679)

I agree with that, but the AMA did it correctly from the ground floor of their association. They own the DSM codes, and get fees for it, plus they control the number of Doctors and the numbers of those that will pass the boards.

Yes, FEDEX and UPS were well below the DAL C2K rate. I also have looked at their Widebody rates and achieving what our pilots direct, which is a pay rate commensurate with a good portion of restoration, would be a logical pattern sequence above these rates.

Of course rates are only part of the battle. Work rules and trip and duty regs are the bread and butter that give the rates a multiplier. Even if we topped the FDX rates by 40%, our pilot would get paid less due to the work rule differences.

My point is that we all perform the work, and excluding these carriers is not in any pilots best interest. I also believe we need to include international airlines and their contracts. I could care less what their governments take, we need to look at their gross earnings per year. Their airlines pay this to them, and then the government takes their cut. All of it is supported by the ticket prices that are charged.