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BigGuns 03-01-2011 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by CPZ175 (Post 956391)
From all of us at "pilot labor trashing company(s)", I hope your MEC does take a much tougher stance on scope. That goes for all Major/LCC MECs. The regional lifestyle has got to go.....

UMMM!?!? Last I checked you guys have unions too!!! :confused: Why not improve the regional lifestyle though your MEC too?!? Take a stand! :mad:

Mesabah 03-01-2011 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 956394)
UMMM!?!? Last I checked you guys have unions too!!! :confused: Why not improve the regional lifestyle though your MEC too?!? Take a stand! :mad:

To get and keep a contract comparable to mainline at a regional we would have to negotiate a scope contract with the mainline to make sure we end the whipsaw ability. That would not go over well, think RJDC. The only hope for the profession is that mainline guys save their own jobs, so that we can come in as new hires. The only people who have control over scope and wages for RJ's is mainline pilots.

RiddleEagle18 03-01-2011 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 956394)
UMMM!?!? Last I checked you guys have unions too!!! :confused: Why not improve the regional lifestyle though your MEC too?!? Take a stand! :mad:

We cant. As soon as any regional stands up and gains a decent contract they are torn apart and the flying given to a new start up. Comair, expressjet, and air whiskey are all examples of this.

The regionals are sub-contractors and as long as they are such they will not be able to make any gains in QOL and pay. As soon as a gain is made the job is taken away. Mainline contracts allow sub-contracting and most mainline hiring departments want 121 PIC time to get hired. Its a nasty cycle that can only improve with mainline bringing these airplanes back in house.

I think you will find most regional pilots want the mainline guys to tighten scope. Especially the compass guys with flow through. We understand that when the dc-9's are parked and more EMB brought online it only lengthens the time we will spend at compass. Your interest are our interest. One of the big aspects of the flow that was never talked about.

flying_wendell 03-01-2011 02:15 PM

23k pay question?
 
A question for one of the experts out there. I haven't been able to find an answer in my search through the contract.

But I got pulled off a trip for an FO to be trained, which was good by me because I am delighted to just sit at home. But they gave me another four day a few hours later.

My timecard shows me getting paid for both trips. Is that actually correct? Do I really get paid for both trips? I've been whining to my wife about the new trip for the last hour b/c it ends six hours later than the original one, but if I get 23:26 of additional pay then all would be good.

Thanks in advance.

LeineLodge 03-01-2011 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by flying_wendell (Post 956417)
A question for one of the experts out there. I haven't been able to find an answer in my search through the contract.

But I got pulled off a trip for an FO to be trained, which was good by me because I am delighted to just sit at home. But they gave me another four day a few hours later.

My timecard shows me getting paid for both trips. Is that actually correct? Do I really get paid for both trips? I've been whining to my wife about the new trip for the last hour b/c it ends six hours later than the original one, but if I get 23:26 of additional pay then all would be good.

Thanks in advance.

Don't think you get paid for both. They leave the old trip on there until the end of the new trip and it shows CLOSED. That way they know how much the old one was. You should be paid the greater of the two trips.

Boomer 03-01-2011 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 956394)
UMMM!?!? Last I checked you guys have unions too!!! :confused: Why not improve the regional lifestyle though your MEC too?!? Take a stand! :mad:

I'll mention that to the Comair MEC. Maybe when we get done shrinking from 170 planes down to 44 then we can go on strike for 89 days and demand industry-leading pay, trip rigs, and a defined benefit retirement plan.

What could go wrong?

XtremeF150 03-01-2011 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 956383)
Looks like management is panicking and rushing to max out our generous scope prior to openers so the baseline is higher for them in the event our MEC/NC actually takes a touch stand on scope reversal. Good thing they are going to subsidize a pilot labor trashing company with firm orders for new larger RJ's with no place to put them just as our 9's are going away and our chief is putting his "game face" on.

While your talking about subsidizing, keep in mind im sure they are going to start to take a firm look at Republic for places to put these E-Jets or any other airframes as they fly Air buses in direct competition with DAL on some routes with the old Frontier flying. A danger, probably not but subsidizing direct competition...not smart in my book either way.

flying_wendell 03-01-2011 02:36 PM

I figured that was the case. Oh well.

XtremeF150 03-01-2011 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 956430)
I'll mention that to the Comair MEC. Maybe when we get done shrinking from 170 planes down to 44 then we can go on strike for 89 days and demand industry-leading pay, trip rigs, and a defined benefit retirement plan.

What could go wrong?

Yeah, that one is going to go South on you real quick. All those type announcements hurt, often times very good ppl with family's.

XtremeF150 03-01-2011 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by flying_wendell (Post 956432)
I figured that was the case. Oh well.

I had heard different about those trips. That they were "Bought" for training purposes? Hopefully someone has a contract and can figure it out for you. I will glance at it friday when I get home.


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