T, would you clarify that at your next LCP meeting...we were told we are considered management..:rolleyes:

Sorry to interrupt the debate between Carl & T, but does anybody know if "we" as airline pilots still get a discount on H&K guns? If so, has anybody gone through the process? Please fill free to PM with any info. Now back to the debate!

So let's get this straight: Even though we checked the "pilot" block on the application, we must understand management's decisions on how to spend money and the debt that those decisions resulted in. But when we question some middle manager raking in millions in salary, you ask us what block we checked on the application?

Got it. :rolleyes:

Carl

Hmmm, can I phone a friend? I'm guessing never. Educate us all then Carl. Since prior to deregulation, when has the U.S. had only 4 "major" airlines with one of the four possibly on it's way out? If you're RELYING on the strategy of "well it's never happened before", then I'm glad your not part of the MEC.

If you could be so kind to educate us on a second question Carl. Prior to fNWA flight attendant's seeking self help in chapter 11, when has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented such self help????????????

The Emperor Penguin. It has an upright and regal bearing as the name suggests. But, it is really just as awkward, gawky, and dirty as other penguins.

A bird by name only as it has wings... but for no apparent reason. This bird does not ever fly.

Whatever north pilot told you that was incorrect. Company was not "pre-packaged" for sale. The strike issue was the B scale. Management would not budge, and neither would we. Bill Clinton's administration threatened both sides after the 2 week point of the strike. The threat against the pilots was to invoke a PEB which (it was thought at the time) would break the strikes momentum by forcing a return to work for 60 days. The threat against management was to block new Pacific route authority that management was seeking. The threats brought both sides back to the table. The result was a fix to the huge stumbling block of the B scale. Management moved from the B scale remaining, to a 3 year phase out of the B scale. And just like that, the strike was settled.

Carl

I never said all of the profit would go to us, but most of the other groups including management are back to pre-BK wages. I don't know if we can do $315 an hour again for the 777/744 guys, but it should be a lot more than SWA 737 Capts, that's for sure. They currently are fairly close in pay, but we have 36 total 777/744s, and they have over 500 737s, which means a lot more of them get paid more. Plus, our lower line values or 12 day trips for the Whale guys really limits the pay opportunity for our most senior pilots. Those SWA senior guys all get over 100 trips of pay per month, easily. And no, I don't want to fly for them, I want to be paid CLOSER to what we used to be paid, but not at 4% a year for the next 10. I want larger chunks, sooner. Those bag/ticket fees and less interest payments should help facilitate that. That's my point. Sailing is trying to justify the 4% raise per year forever method, and that isn't acceptable to many, since 30% and then an additional 17% were taken from us in those chunks during BK. They can take away in large chunks, but can't give it back at more than 4% per year? Sailing thinks so.

Hadn't heard that one, what I heard was that the administration threatened to "revisit" the KLM anti-trust agreement.

What would we (Delta/KLM AF) look like today if they had in fact removed that little jewel?

I think that discount is now for ffdo's. There are folks on the dalpa forum that have the H&K form, but there are better guns at great deals.