Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144098)

Exactly. At Delta, an 870,000 pound airplane pays the same as a 620,000 pound airplane.

Carl

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1144144)

The HK offer is just for the .40 USP compact, and is open to any airline pilot, not just FFDOs (company ID required). The offer is mail-in only and the price goes up every year.

The Glock discount is on any Glock handgun, and is open to any commercial pilot (pilot certificate required). The offer can be redeemed at any participating gun dealer.

There is a S&W pilot deal, but I have no details.

Also check out Bud's Guns in Lexington (The LEO website, not the public website) They have good "Law Enforcement" deals for anyone with a commercial pilot certificate. Note that the prices are already discounted and include free shipping to your hometown FFL. Discount Guns for Law Enforcement by Buds Gun Shop (budsgunshop.com)

That should get you started anyway.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144368)

First of all, and I don't pretend to speak for Sailing, but I don't get that he is trying to justify a 4% raise forever kind of thing. If I were industrious enough, I am sure I could find many posts where he has said that he wants a much bigger raise than many talk about here.. but that is for him to defend or not..

I do not argue the point about the other employee groups being back to where they were and management being overly compensated. That is a corporate America phenomina, nothing unique to DAL. Tim Cook got 1,000,000 shares of AAPL before he even signed his name on the oath of office... I mean... his personal net worth has gone up over $200M since he took the job.. is he worth it? Again.. I digress..

You bring up again.. the point about why I am so passionate about LGBP or at the very least banded pay... I am not going to rehash it again.. (The crowd goes wild). You have to make your own decision about that, but what we have does not work for the vast majority of guys...

And I will say again... I am waiting for someone to convince me that productivity has any place in this discussion...

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144383)

T;
The truth, from at least my perspective, is that I don't really understand why (full on) banded pay is so good. It isn't really a debate item for me. I just don't get why it is better than "productivity" pay.

Maybe I am just thick, or am stockholm syndromed by our current system. I just haven't had anyone turn the lightbulb on for me and give me that aha moment for banded pay.

I am however, a 3 banana monkey. So, maybe that has something to do with it.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1144189)

That's more like what you want to find in your hotel room after a 14-hour day.

Not sure how to feel about that rock on her finger, though? :confused:

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144142)

Probably not 100% legal in a lot more places than those, but when someone waltzes into your house that shouldn't be there, what the distinguished "lady" from San Francisco thinks really doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144388)

I'll give you the bullet points.
-Biggest pays most under current system. Fine. That would be great if we had 50 of each of them.. we don't. we have 16 and 18.
-Management chooses which airplanes we fly, we negotiate how much we will be paid to fly whatever they buy.
-All we have done, and all we are going to be doing for the foreseeable future is buying smaller gauge airframes than those CURRENTLY on the property.
-net result is less pay for the entire pilot group over the course of a career.
-the net result of THAT is that we have less $ in our retirement and investment plans, because the DB plan no longer exists and we have to fund our own retirement...
-That seems like we are continuing to shoot the group as a whole in the foot just to keep guys like Carl paid the most...

-The net result is less pay AND as a bonus, a crappier QOL over the course of a career to keep this same system because if you want to maximize your retirement, you have to either a)fly more, or b) bid an airplane where you have no seniority.. Hobson's choice. they both suck, and it is so unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1144399)

Scambo,

A+ for timely comment. This happened yesterday:

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1144308)

Yea, that due to high energy costs, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

Nu