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Some thought that DALPA should have attempted to recapture 70/76 seat flying and anything less was a loss that took away from additional mainline jobs.
So, the pilots who obtained their jobs when Mainline gave up scope, now think we should recapture it so they can have a better job. Would they be happy if they lost their job because of scope recapture. How long would you accept being out of work in order for Mainline to retake your job? DALPA negotiates for Delta Pilots, not UAL, AA, US, Gojets, PCL, Comair, or anyone else. If you don't like our contract, get hired at Delta and elected to a union position and change it. Back to lurking. Tr UnusualAttitude, I was not shooting at you and didn't mean to give that impression. |
Originally Posted by trlaketige
(Post 1249701)
Some thought that DALPA should have attempted to recapture 70/76 seat flying and anything less was a loss that took away from additional mainline jobs.
So, the pilots who obtained their jobs when Mainline gave up scope, now think we should recapture it so they can have a better job. Would they be happy if they lost their job because of scope recapture. How long would you accept being out of work in order for Mainline to retake your job? DALPA negotiates for Delta Pilots, not UAL, AA, US, Gojets, PCL, Comair, or anyone else. If you don't like our contract, get hired at Delta and elected to a union position and change it. Back to lurking. Tr UnusualAttitude, I was not shooting at you and didn't mean to give that impression. |
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 1249675)
Is "entitlements" in reference to the attitude of certain flow-through pilots or just flow-through pilots in general?
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1249543)
I really wonder about an airline where 2/3 of the pilot group deluded themselves into thinking the result of that TA could be anything but extended stagnation. The rocking chair lives.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1249709)
I really wonder if you're gullible enough to think the recently ratified TA has anything to do with the current stagnation.
Right now the work rule language does not help us and we really cannot see its result in staffing, because the economy overshadows everything. When the economy improves in some distant date, we will be more efficient as a whole because each pilot will be flying slightly more time than they did prior to the agreement. As long as DAL holds the carrying costs on the WB jets and the down bidding occurs on the 767 and below there will be little sympathy for anyone. Given when hiring will occur the pilots hired in 2001 and later will be the ones that may see the displacements to staff the initial 739's and 717's. After that, retirements will kick in and new hires will be needed as the 717's and retirements drive hiring. We bought it and it's our PWA. Time to look at what you want going forward and what changes, if any need to be made to get it. What we have is what we have until we can improve it. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1249709)
I really wonder if you're gullible enough to think the recently ratified TA has anything to do with the current stagnation.
The question is, are you gullible enough to think that this contract doesn't significantly slow down our careers (vs. the previous version)? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1249721)
It has little to do with it but the TA will result in fewer pilots needed per the block plan when we do increase block hrs.
Right now the work rule language does not help us and we really cannot see its result in staffing, because the economy overshadows everything. When the economy improves in some distant date, we will be more efficient as a whole because each pilot will be flying slightly more time than they did prior to the agreement. As long as DAL holds the carrying costs on the WB jets and the down bidding occurs on the 767 and below there will be little sympathy for anyone. Given when hiring will occur the pilots hired in 2001 and later will be the ones that may see the displacements to staff the initial 739's and 717's. After that, retirements will kick in and new hires will be needed as the 717's and retirements drive hiring. We bought it and it's our PWA. Time to look at what you want going forward and what changes, if any need to be made to get it. What we have is what we have until we can improve it. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1249730)
Perhaps not the current stagnation.
The question is, are you gullible enough to think that this contract doesn't significantly slow down our careers (vs. the previous version)? |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1249733)
While I don't disagree with you, we will still be less efficient then many other Legacy groups. Yes?
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1249733)
While I don't disagree with you, we will still be less efficient then many other Legacy groups. Yes?
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