I second that. it was just odd that management would join in the sales job given what a great deal they'd gotten if we had said no. What was it? Guaranteed five years without a raise?

Honestly some may have. By the time we are back to the table like this, many will have forgotten all about it. It servd a purpose.

Apollo 11 Gendec:

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Cheers
George

That would be most of the MEC and 63% of the pilots :( and Bill Lumberg. PT Barnum was an advisor for management.

Any RAW gurus know much a week of vacation will bump up your RAW score?

18 RAW for 1 week or vacation
4 additional days off for 1 "week of vacation" (16 vs 12)

Woohoo!

Cheers
George

Ever notice Wall Street types are always talking about what oil is going to; but, oil companies don't because they know the price forecast is always wrong. Oil companies also know refining is cyclical, it loses as often as it wins and basicly its the worst part of the biz to be in.

In any case, we'll all know in time.

In the long run, you may be right. Oil for the past 4+ years has been a vehicle for speculation (gambling) due to etf's.

My take; the refinery pays for itself in 1 year - after that it doesn't matter.

It is another form of vertical integration. It is no different than paying a lawn service $1000/year to mow your grass, then going out to buy your own push mower for $300 and doing it yourself.

And those who don't think BOTH ALPA and the company used the propaganda of potential new hires to help SELL the TA, needsmto buy the Brooklyn Bridge. Sorta like, "Give us concessions or we may be forced to furlough or file for CH11 or eliminate the pension.".
They say things like this to elicit a particular response.

Have not heard that no furloughs were the quid for the concessions. Doesn't make sense either way. I know it was tic but putting it out there.

As for this deal, well, we bought it, and now it's ours. Was told that the FTDT loa starts negotiation October. That right there could cut as many if not more jobs than the TA.

As for how it's was sold or not sold, take that up with the current reps and those that work for them.