Today the ratio of domestic mainline narrowbody and 767 domestic to DCI block hours is 54% mainline, 46% DCI (ratio of 1.19-1)

The minimum contractual ratio if Delta buys 88 small narrowbodies and increases to 223 76 seaters is 61% Mainline-39% DCI (ratio of 1.56-1)

The business plan calls for a ratio of 64%-36%, or a 1.76-1 ratio

More flying of the Delta brand is coming to mainline under this TA.

Just got in from an afternoon hanging out with the kids.

Quick ?.

How are the JV's and domestic code shares addressed in scope? Or are they even?

Yes. There is a production balance requirement including any profit/loss arrangement in a JV. AS codeshare is reduced from a max of 50% to a max of 35% on any route. Holding company language was tightened (Republic exception) You can read it on the website.

Is there any chance the other side of her sign says:

"BID FOOLS"?

Slow,

Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula. We are just giving up negotiating capital that can be used somewhere else, like giving up more of our profit sharing perhaps?

This TA is full of those sorts of money for nothing compromises. New 717's... we'd probably get them anyhow. 50 seaters going away... they were anyhow, but now we get more bigger RJ's to replace them. Code share protection against Alaska, but we're buying them anyway... No call from CP when you are sick... so what? I like getting a call from my buddies when I'm feeling low. Pay raise... but give us back the profit sharing. Higher pay for reserve... but you get less days off and more short call. ONE WHOLE PERCENT DC raise. TEN WHOLE CENTS more per diem!! FIFTEEN WHOLE MINUTES more vacation pay. Maybe I'll buy the Mona Lisa next time I'm in Paris! Mandatory hiring for DCI ALPA pilots... not sure what we gave up for that gem. 4:15 per duty day? Big deal... they'll just slide some of those departure times so that you'll still only make 9:30 on a 3 day. Amateur Hour!

<<<<<<<<+1>>>>>>>> ALPA and I apparently have different goals.

Thanks for the response Slow.... This is one ugly pig, but I'm going to do my homework. The payrates are disappointing to say the least..... The DC contribution not being phased in until later? Really? Scope is so damn complicated that it's difficult to know how it's actually going to effect us, but it doesn't feel right and I told myself that I wouldn't vote for something that moves the line again.

But I'll tell you the thing that just sticks at me the most......that really makes me wonder what in the hell I'm paying ALPA for.... is reducing our profit sharing to fund our meger bump in payrates and the two years at 3% that won't keep up with inflation. What is that? We are busting our A--es out on the line to save money every where we can and you reduce our profit sharing. We're flying clean airplanes as long as we can and still meet stabilized aproach critirea, starting APU's at the last minute, single engine taxi to the point that I'm busting my hump to get throught the checklist before we take the runway and yet this sends a message that it doesn't matter enough to keep our profit sharing as is....... ***! :mad: I go out of the way to engage our passengers to strengthen our brand..... You lose me.... you've lost a lot of guys......

Present the TA, but don't waste your time shoveling a pile of crap down our throats about the reduced profit sharing. The number may not be staggering on this, but the message is clear.

TC

slow,

What's the 50 seater count if we are above 767 mainline hulls and at 223 76 seaters? What's the RJ cap? Are we looking at 102 70 seaters PLUS 223 76 seaters?

Someone mentioned that this was someone's pet project, and it got me thinking. Of the DCI carriers, who is non-ALPA? SkyWest, Republic, and GoJet? I think GoJet is too new to the DCI game to matter much, but ALPA has reason to be angry at SkyWest and Republic, right? SkyWest voted them down twice and Republic went with the Teamsters. What do you want to bet this mandatory hiring this is retaliatory in nature and coming from ALPA national? And if it is, isn't that all the more reason for Delta pilots to go with DPA? I voted for ALPA in 2007 but I'm wondering if that wasn't a mistake. It seems like it's a messed up organization on a number of levels.