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gloopy 09-14-2012 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1260902)
As to the Pacific, Japan has made a governmental decision not to grow. There's another country just to the west that has 385 million middle class citizens and another 800+ million that will never get there.



North America is the world's number 2 aviation market. Asia is the growth market and number 1.
Its also the world's bigest (and fakest) bubble. Over population is not a national resource. That's why they build 10 cities a year then immediately abandon them to crumble with tumble weeds blowing down empty 8 land superhighways just to keep their fake stimulus money printing GDP up. Yeah yeah, glass houses and all, but they are screwing themselves more than we are, despite how much we are.


NRT will be fine as long as the US and Japanese governments let it be fine. If and when we lose that battle there are plenty of options. The question is will it be a painful revolutionary change or a moderate evolutionary change.
I agree, and wonder how (or if) we will rise to capitalize on enormous opportunities going foward as all this plays out, or if we will shrink/merge/shrink to profitability while funding the growth of others.

CAAC ATP 09-14-2012 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1260918)
Its also the world's bigest (and fakest) bubble. Over population is not a national resource. That's why they build 10 cities a year then immediately abandon them to crumble with tumble weeds blowing down empty 8 land superhighways just to keep their fake stimulus money printing GDP up.

Do you have a source for this or is it gross exaggeration in an attempt to make a point? Honestly, I'm curious.

ExAF 09-14-2012 09:45 AM

Why So Long
 
A's have been done for a quite a while. Why is it taking so long for for B's to come out. With all of the flying drawdown, it isn't as if there are a lot of flights to schedule. There isn't even anything to backdoor and it's getting to be late in the afternoon! :(

Elvis90 09-14-2012 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by CAAC ATP (Post 1260927)
Do you have a source for this or is it gross exaggeration in an attempt to make a point? Honestly, I'm curious.

Hey CAAC, I found an article showing a city in China that was designed to house 1 million, but currently holds 30,000.

Where is everyone? The derelict majesty of Chinese ghost town built to house one million, but with less than 30,000 residents | Mail Online

I'm guessing that the central planners in the government need a place to put all the money from the trade surpluses.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Chinese gov't is trying trying to move people from agricultural areas to areas like the above article refers to.

TeddyKGB 09-14-2012 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 1260932)
A's have been done for a quite a while. Why is it taking so long for for B's to come out. With all of the flying drawdown, it isn't as if there are a lot of flights to schedule. There isn't even anything to backdoor and it's getting to be late in the afternoon! :(

All of the Oct trips finally disappeared from open time so hopefully the B's will be out soon.

Elvis90 09-14-2012 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1260936)
All of the Oct trips finally disappeared from open time so hopefully the B's will be out soon.

ATL88B is available via 'back door method'. Got 14 days off in Oct.

TeddyKGB 09-14-2012 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1260937)
ATL88B is available via 'back door method'. Got 14 days off in Oct.

Thanks. Was able to back door mine too.

jiminmem 09-14-2012 10:07 AM

NY7erb are also out via back door

CAAC ATP 09-14-2012 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1260935)
Hey CAAC, I found an article showing a city in China that was designed to house 1 million, but currently holds 30,000.

Where is everyone? The derelict majesty of Chinese ghost town built to house one million, but with less than 30,000 residents | Mail Online

I'm guessing that the central planners in the government need a place to put all the money from the trade surpluses.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Chinese gov't is trying trying to move people from agricultural areas to areas like the above article refers to.

Thanks for the link. Seems to me they are trying to stimulate the areas away from the major population centers of the east. Chinese expansion and suppression of dissident populations has centered around luring the dominate Han ethnicity into those areas. The city names in this article such as Kangbashi and Ordos seem closer to the Uyghur and Kazakh ethnicity than to the Han.

Back to the subject. I don't understand Gloopy's post. There is no context. Even if there is a housing bubble in China, Asia cannot be ignored. If visa restrictions are lifted on the Chinese and they are able to vacation abroad as freely as Americans Delta had better be in a position to accommodate the masses.

FedEx and UPS have realized the importance of Asia and China for a long time. With hubs in Guangzhou and Shenzhen they don't seem to be concerned about a bubble.

gloopy 09-14-2012 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by CAAC ATP (Post 1260944)

Back to the subject. I don't understand Gloopy's post. There is no context. Even if there is a housing bubble in China, Asia cannot be ignored. If visa restrictions are lifted on the Chinese and they are able to vacation abroad as freely as Americans Delta had better be in a position to accommodate the masses.

FedEx and UPS have realized the importance of Asia and China for a long time. With hubs in Guangzhou and Shenzhen they don't seem to be concerned about a bubble.

Its way more than a "housing bubble." Its an everything bubble. A Yuan bubble. A debt bubble. An unneeded public works bubble. A national defense (soon to become a money bleeding internatinal offense) bubble. They are sowing the seeds of rampant inflation, which is a particularly insidious tax on the poorer classes and actually supresses mobility into higher classes in the long run. China in particular is in a heap big trouble, and will likely try to hide behind wars to postpone the inevitable collapse of the bubbles they have been creating.

I think there is still net growth in Asia for sure, but nowhere remotely near the rose colored hourly A380 service to every fake GDP city they build by government edict. Far more will be pumped into the region than reality will be able to support and that will have to come out and come out hard. One thing to remember about bubbles, particularly the big, bad ones: very few can see through the fog of fake growth to identify a bubble until well after it starts to pop, despite how obvious it was all along after the fact.


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