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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
(Post 1264899)
According to notes out of recent base meetings we may have a surplus of 320 F/Os due to decrease utilization and displacements to the 88.
Also comment that hiring will be driven by DC9s sticking around longer and that we don't need to hire soon due to increased ALVs in the new PWA. B..b..b..b..but work rule give-ups were offset!! |
Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
(Post 1264899)
According to notes out of recent base meetings we may have a surplus of 320 F/Os due to decrease utilization and displacements to the 88.
Also comment that hiring will be driven by DC9s sticking around longer and that we don't need to hire soon due to increased ALVs in the new PWA. Anyone smart enough to pour pee out a boot could see that the PWA would push hiring out. Nu |
Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1264901)
Johnso29, don't let that SEC filing get in the way rhetoric and pseudo analysis. This is after all a forum.:)
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The grass is not always greener...
I just jumpseated on an SWA flight last month and the first thing they said to me was that many of the junior SWA FO's were looking at bailing for Delta when it starts hiring.
My response is the same for our guys and theirs. Don't do it unless you are sure our company's plan will fail and there's is the best in the long term. I just got my 5 year pin but there's no way I'm leaving for UAL or SWA or anybody else. Good luck to those who wish to start over... |
Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1264901)
Johnso29, don't let that SEC filing get in the way rhetoric and pseudo analysis. This is after all a forum.:)
Until those aircraft are online and the mainline fleet count matches, that is as much a "projection" as anything else. You and others keep pulling out that SEC statement like it is a 100% guaranteed done-deal or a can't-possibly-change statement. The deteriorating picture for hiring seems to be leading the other way. |
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Originally Posted by HVYinRESERVE
(Post 1264916)
I just jumpseated on an SWA flight last month and the first thing they said to me was that many of the junior SWA FO's were looking at bailing for Delta when it starts hiring.
My response is the same for our guys and theirs. Don't do it unless you are sure our company's plan will fail and there's is the best in the long term. I just got my 5 year pin but there's no way I'm leaving for UAL or SWA or anybody else. Good luck to those who wish to start over... |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 1264828)
I'd consider it since I live in a major UAL hub but I'm too invested in DAL now to play the jumping game. Not to mention there is zero chance i'd go back to their first year pay either and start over. But I can see the appeal for its comsideration
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1264901)
Johnso29, don't let that SEC filing get in the way rhetoric and pseudo analysis. This is after all a forum.
In the interim the mainline fleet stands at 722, so the projected growth will net 74 added airframes in the next 3 years and the commensurate additional manning. If the T&G is to be believed it's 14 bodies per jet, at any rate somewhere between 800-1000 extra pilot will be needed to fly the additional jets. (that figure of course is reduced by the number of excess pilots currently carried) But back to that presentation subject to SEC rules - make sure to see all of the filings and presentations. Contrary to SD's explanation, the capacity cuts are not proportionally shared across the JV partners as is illustrated in this Delta slide from the Bank of America Investors conference a year ago: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/Casm.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/cuts.jpg Delta Slide above, Expanded view of projections below: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/capacity.jpg I'm excited about the 74 growth airframes by 2015. but I'm also under no illusion that in the interim we will have some dry spells as far as career advancement. If you sit on a jet and a seat at a base that works for you life is good and will get better. If you don't, your light at the end of the tunnel just got a little dimmer with JG's weekly update pushing hiring to late 2013, possibly 2014. That assesment stands in contrast with the assertion from SD in an earlier weekly update where he suggested we "may...begin...preparations...for hiring...as soon as later this year...subject to the network plan." The suggestion was we will hire this year with some possible exceptions. That isn't the message currently coming from FlightOps leadership... It feels a little like talking to a guy you lent money to. He's an honest guy but comes up with a new excuse every time you hit him up. You know he is a man of his word and will eventually make good on the debt, but the excuses of why not now, and the promises of payback just around the cover, make you leery of his current promises... Cheers George |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1264817)
I doubt you'd be any worse off at the bottom of UALs list. With bases in SFO, ORD, IAD, DEN... at least you'd have some shot at a decent QOL.
UAL has way more high paying heavies than we do, and 787s coming online today. UAL is all set in the Pacific, with great partners, HND access, Air Mike... they are much stronger than we are in Latin America, and while not tops in the Atlantic, (in this economy, not a bad thing) they have the best partner- Lufthansa. Oh, and huge retirements coming up. We have: MD90's, no widebody orders, hats, 717s, replacement 737s for 757's, Alaska continues to expand at our expense, DC9s... A tenuous position in Asia that could result in massive furloughs if we get shut out of HND, and big exposure in Europe with a financially strapped partner AF/KLM. A shiny name tag for all the world to google, triple airport reserve in NYC. We are a distant third in Latin America. And frankly, our base choices are not exactly inspiring. If I were junior and young, I'd be jumping ship too. The contract pain is short term, the prospects are very bright. I left United for DAL when they were rocketting forward back in the 90s. There is a huge cultural difference between the two. I much prefer the DAL culture. At the time, from a purely fast paced upgrade perspective, there was no comparison, the smart thing to do was stay at United. In retrospect, I am glad I left. Its the two times I was hired at Fedex and didn't leave that bugs me.:D |
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