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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1336658)
I'm not going to bow down and say "he's my hero," some might. For those of us who fly the thing regularly, you always feel rusty. It takes 4 guys to push it off the gate. This guy needs to get some trips bought for him.
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1336445)
I believe the statement was to begin the hiring process in the fall of 2012. Classes would have been in 2013 for the summer schedule. They only planned on 150 pilots based on 300 early retirements. Not sure why with 196 early retirements and over 150 pilots on leaving coming back you find the numbers so far off. Edit/// Here is the companies exact statement on hiring. Note how bad some memories on here are to what was actually said. """Finally, I know the big question out there on the line as you hear about mainline growth is how that will impact our pilot staffing and whether it will jumpstart pilot hiring. It’s been no secret that we are looking at a wave of pilot retirements over the next few years as pilots begin to approach age 65. Because of that, our pilot hiring group has remained active since we stopped our last round of hiring in 2010, and we are prepared to start the hiring process on short notice. While our hiring is ultimately based on the Network block hour plan, which in turn is affected by the economy, all indications are that the addition of 717s and the opportunity for pilots to take advantage of the Pilot Retirement Medical Account (RMA) early retirement option will accelerate movement across the seniority list and require us to begin hiring earlier than the planned pilot retirements alone would have. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year."""" So, you don't think it was reasonable for pilots to look a that memo assume that we would be hiring by now? The distinction between "in class" and "hiring process" is something trained lawyers should catch, not pilots. At any rate, it's interesting to note that this "unanticipated event" that caused them to delay the hiring process, happened sometime between June - when the memo was posted - and October - when the hiring process was forecast to possibly start. What happened in those 3 months that was unanticipated and caused them to change their minds? Finally, at the time, I don't remember anyone saying the company only planned on hiring 150 pilots based on a model that they would get 300 early retirements. 1.) How do you know this? 2.) If I'm right, why do you think they left this important detail out? I bet a lot of yes voters might have thought differently if they knew the company was only going to hire 150 pilots at best. Maybe even Bill Lumberg would have toned it down a little. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1336029)
The problem that you don't seem to understand Mr. K (not replacing as many airplanes as leave the property and not replacing as many retiring pilots as leave the property....or even admitting that could be what's happening or going to happen) causes doubt among those here about your motivation on this board and who you represent (you know, that whole managing expectations thing). The overwhelming evidence in word and deed from management points that direction. Some are trying to raise the alert flag and what that means to Delta pilots. Some (like you) get out the party hats no matter what Delta seems to be doing. Calling everything Delta does a victory (for them and their pilots) makes you lose credibility. That's what others are saying about you here. You just aren't able to comprehend it.
I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand.
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1336029)
DPA didn't speak a word in this video. They let management speak for themselves. How you turn that into "spin" as if to justify your own nonstop spin machine is a bit of a mystery really.
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 1336130)
This is true and again begs the question why we see no hiring in the next 12 months when the planned new airframes will begin flying in 9 months (training much sooner). The economy has actually started a slow climb and I would argue that europe is not any worse than it was a year ago when multiple countries were nearing bankruptcy BEFORE our contract. People just don't like used car salesmen for a reason. The truth is always better...even if it stings a little.
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NewK,
I guess I never thought we would hire and yes I thought it was bogas for SD to imply we were. All you had to do was look at how little the reserve guys on the wide bodies were flying to know we were carrying extra pilots. Add to that pictures of 80s reserve beard as proof we were carrying some extra narrow body guys too:D |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1336679)
NewK,
I guess I never thought we would hire and yes I thought it was bogas for SD to imply we were. All you had to do was look at how little the reserve guys on the wide bodies were flying to know we were carrying extra pilots. Add to that pictures of 80s reserve beard as proof we were carrying some extra narrow body guys too:D Argh! The beard! I hope he shaved that thing off with a baby in the house. :D |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1336688)
I knew better, too. The company is going to do what they have to do. They always will. I just don't understand how sailing thinks guys have bad memories.
Argh! The beard! I hope he shaved that thing off with a baby in the house. :D Yeah, poor baby 80. He will be 6 or maybe even 8 before he figures out he doesn't have 2 dads and why they are never home at the same time:D |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1336360)
So rumor here: the Delta folks at the Women in Aviation conference are saying no off the street hiring in 2013 or 2014.
Didn't say anything about taking flows from Pinnacle or Compass, just that it won't be off the street hiring. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1336699)
This goes along with what I have been saying for the last few years. I said late 2015 if the 65 year olds actually start leaving a year or two early (they're not). I just don't see any hiring in 2013 or 2014. If Johnso gets displaced off the ER, reality will sink in.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1336688)
I knew better, too. The company is going to do what they have to do. They always will. I just don't understand how sailing thinks guys have bad memories.
Argh! The beard! I hope he shaved that thing off with a baby in the house. :D
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1336697)
Oh I have a bad memory.......thanks to some guy named Jack
Yeah, poor baby 80. He will be 6 or maybe even 8 before he figures out he doesn't have 2 dads and why they are never home at the same time:D |
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