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slowplay 09-14-2012 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1260478)
5 bucks says slowplay never actually answers ftb's questions. Ah, unionoid politics.

Send your check to the Delta Pilots Charitable fund.;) If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want...:p ; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).

CAAC ATP 09-14-2012 08:25 AM

With this AA news, bankruptcy needs to be redefined

bank-rupt-cy

noun

1. a legal tool used with the cooperation of the judicial system to abrogate organized labor

Bucking Bar 09-14-2012 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1260884)
There are several other posters on here that asserted what would and would not happen should we vote in the agreement. The agreement is in force now, and the company is publicly disclosing their business plan we can look back and see who was more correct with the information available at that time.

Amazingly, those who had seen non disclosed information from management knew more about management's plans than those who had to do their own analysis :)

Of course, one potential take away from this blinding flash of the obvious is to dissuade people from even trying to perform their own analysis, think critically, and put their thoughts out for others to comment on.

Speaking up for the underdog in this furball ... I like reading contrasting points of view. Management and ALPA have been singing in harmony, making beautiful music, which I enjoy seeing as how today is pay day. However, I am also a fan of the Dave Matthews and Carlos Santana's bands. Nothing wrong with a syncopated beat and occasional dissonance to let me know the band had to really try to pull off something interesting every now and then.

I would enjoy even more our labor union taking a contrasting view to management's outsourcing plans. Of course, I might as well wait for Mark Knofler to bring his band over to the house:

slowplay 09-14-2012 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1260883)
AA just imposed work rules on the APA. Anyone have any details?

AA imposed a mix of the April 19 term sheet (1113C proposal), the June 26 TA and their August 16 LBFO. It is ugly.

One modification...AMR capped their current scope implementation at 79 seats, not the 88 they were requesting. But they also completely opened up domestic code sharing.

http://www.restructuringamr.com/our-people-apa.asp

Bucking Bar 09-14-2012 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1260888)
Send your check to the Delta Pilots Charitable fund.;) If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want...:p ; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).

Well ... it is a good program ... and tax deductible.

slowplay 09-14-2012 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1260882)
So, what's left of Northwest? Minneapolis, Detroit and the parts of LAX and SEA not full of Alaska tails?

What are our options, other than the retreat across the Pacific that Richard Branson told us was going to happen two years ago?

SEA has doubled in size. Unlike many other carriers, our pax counts in the LAX basin are stable (ALA shrank there).

As to the Pacific, Japan has made a governmental decision not to grow. There's another country just to the west that has 385 million middle class citizens and another 800+ million trying to get there.

There are plenty of options. North America is the world's number 2 aviation market. Asia is the growth market and number 1. NRT will be fine as long as the US and Japanese governments let it be fine. If and when we lose that battle there are plenty of options. The question is will it be a painful revolutionary change or a moderate evolutionary change.

Bucking Bar 09-14-2012 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1260902)
SEA has doubled in size. Unlike many other carriers, our pax counts in the LAX basin are stable (ALA shrank there).

As to the Pacific, Japan has made a governmental decision not to grow. There's another country just to the west that has 385 million middle class citizens and another 800+ million trying to get there.

There are plenty of options. North America is the world's number 2 aviation market. Asia is the growth market and number 1. NRT will be fine as long as the US and Japanese governments let it be fine. If and when we lose that battle there are plenty of options. The question is will it be a painful revolutionary change or a moderate evolutionary change.

Excellent post.

Tip of the Hat for being the Sultan of Smoooth at the keyboard (actually honest admiration). $5 in the tip jar; hey Mark, play something smooth.


gloopy 09-14-2012 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1260732)
Just looked at Buddy pass myself... roundtrip with 1 stop was gonna be $360 plus $50 fee each way (that's the part they don't tell you without research) so $460.
Nonstop on Virgin or USAir was $570. Delta was $645. I can't see why anyone would ever use one (or at least not do it twice...).

If you're flexibile with your destination(s) in off peak times, base your destination on open flights (especially up front) and are looking to go intl, it can be the best deal ever. Anything else and they are literally less than worthless.

I'd rather have 2 free buddy passes to give out than 8 almost as expensive as a real ticket get stranded 8 mouths out of the year passes.

gloopy 09-14-2012 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1260792)
It is surprising that no one has posted on the Fed's action yesterday. It would appear this changes things for 2013 and possibly has a host of other consequences as far reaching as throwing the Presidential election and making the "fiscal cliff" less relevant.

Despite repeated attempts at economic stimulus, hiring has remained stalled. Bernake's goal is clearly to create an economic situation where companies have to hire. That should, and will eventually, include Delta.

The problem not many are talking about is that commodities are in a World market. The Federal Reserve has stated it will buy 1/2 Trillion in bonds and mortgage securities ... Indefinitely and buy more if the economy does not respond. In perspective, Qualitative Easing (money dump) #1 helped to bring us out of the panic of 2008. QE#2 did little more than inflate oil and gold prices (since they are priced on the world market and go up as the dollar goes down). The overall economy stagnated and got smaller. This QE#3 is designed to do more than rounds one and two, inflation and commodities be dammed.

We can expect demand for air travel (and most other goods) to rise as a result of yesterday's announcement. The flip side is that fuel and other costs are going to rise.

The problem is that Keynesianism never works. Ever in human history. Its literally never, ever worked. Any little sugar rush high from fake money will more than come out the other end literally with interest.

Its argurable that we're beyond theback side of the curve now, so he can light the burners all he wants and all we can do now is enjoy the ride and invest for the imminent ejection.

QE's only help "create demand" the way the dot.com, housing and college bubbles do. Temporarilly, artificially, unsustainably and with earth shattering negative consequences later for a temporary, and usually modest, "gain" today.

I see this as a test of RA's true intellect though. He sits on the board of the fake money printers; he knows what goes on behind the curtain (or at least should). There will be major opportunities in the resulting demand destruction and wealth destroying inflation. We'll see if he's smart enough to position us to truly capitalize on that, or if he just goes along with the sheep and acts suprised and begs for a bailout like everyone else.

I want to think he's smart about it long term, but all he can seem to focus on is gifting capacity to LCC's and foreign ponzi scheme airlines. Maybe its part of a master plan though, like the magic 10B debt level and all that jazz. We'll see.

gloopy 09-14-2012 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1260868)
HND/NRT is very similar to LHR/LGW. One is the clearly preferred business airport.

So is HND really more convienient, or is it only a fake illusion like LHR? GTW has the Gatwick Express that takes you into Vic station just as quickly as the so called "tube", "mind the gap" placards included. Any advantage is miniscule for most city destinations and only marginally better for a tiny handful. Its 95% perception. Now, looking on the map, HND does look closer so it would depend on local transport options. I'll assume HND is superior by a solid degree. But the LHR "AAdvantage" is an absoute joke.


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