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GBU-24 05-21-2012 05:00 PM

Just watched Office Space…the irony! Their TPS Reports, our TA. WT$O were they thinking!

Tomcat 05-21-2012 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1193372)
70 capped at 102
153 76-seat max

with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223

reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)

only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125

so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330

only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125

Cheers
George

George,

At first look this doesn't pass my decision matrix (not even close), but what's your take on the net effect on us. In other words, what is this going to look like when I'm walking around my jet in three years.

TC

scambo1 05-21-2012 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1193401)
Call me crazy, but something doesn't smell right with this TA. I have a VERY hard time believing every member of the NC wanted these pay numbers. Delta has more money to pay us then this. I smell LM up to his old games again. He's pulling TO's strings, and O'Malley ain't fighting. Might be time for some recall action.

I'm honestly not a black helo guy, but this thing is mighty suspect. There are clearly the fingerprints of ALPA nat'l on this thing.

JobHopper 05-21-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by 130av8er (Post 1193395)
I couldn't give two ****s who we hire. What is all this RJ flow up crap doing in OUR prospective contract. I can tell that somebody on the NC has a hard on for this. I'm pretty certain this wasn't in the top 50 concerns of our pilots. Not a DPA guy but this BS lends a lot of credit to the ALPA conflict of interest re: RJ's.

You're right.

I, too, was puzzled as I read through the extensive RJ pilot hiring section. Initially, I thought it was tradeoff for the "furlough protection" of DAL pilots getting DCI jobs. But, if you read the fine print, furloughed pilots still have to pass the DCI company's interview, so the job guarantee is not automatic. The class ratio for DCI pilots is a requirement, however. Plus, can anyone envision a scenario where Delta will have to furlough a single pilot in the next 15 years? With the upcoming retirements, I can't.

You hit the nail on the head. This was somebody's pet project on the NC, and it isn't worth two cents to the Delta pilot.

flyallnite 05-21-2012 05:31 PM

It is interesting that UAL's CEO had a memo ready to go today along the lines of "let's get this agreement done, I'll be more than happy to settle for those $h**#! rates that DALPA approved!!"

slowplay 05-21-2012 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1193372)
70 capped at 102
153 76-seat max

with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223

reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)

only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125

so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330

only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125

Cheers
George

I don't think your analysis is correct.

With the additon of 50 snb management can access 40 76 seat jets. They have to have the 50 seat fleet reduced by 111 from the current level. With 63 snb management can access 50 76 seat jets and has to park 141 50 seaters...and so on with the 1.25 ratio.

They can't access 76 seat jets without taking snb and parking 50 seaters except as provided in the timeline of 1.b.40. Once the 50 seaters are parked the DCI fleet is capped at that number, and the block hour ratio prevents mainline from shrinking when DCI doesn't.

horrido27 05-21-2012 05:38 PM

^+1
Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.

At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.

If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.

What a mess.

Motch

PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!

gloopy 05-21-2012 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1193372)
70 capped at 102
153 76-seat max

with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223

reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)

only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125

so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330

only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125.

So what if they never get that "last" 76 seater? And what is that 350 number? How many 50's we have now? If so, why does it only fall to 320-330? Or are we getting three hundred and twenty A330's?

MoonShot 05-21-2012 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1193435)
It is interesting that UAL's CEO had a memo ready to go today along the lines of "let's get this agreement done, I'll be more than happy to settle for those $h**#! rates that DALPA approved!!"

No kidding. This alone should tell our pilot group something.

What was the line? Something about not compromising the final product for the sake of expedience???

This TA isn't compromised?

flyallnite 05-21-2012 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1193443)
^+1
Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.

At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.

If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.

What a mess.

Motch

PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!


I do think it's time to terminate our relationship with ALPA. This TA presents clear evidence that our interests as DL pilots are not being served, and that other agendas are being pursued to the detriment of our careers. I didn't completely believe that until today.


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