Wow.....................

We've done no such thing. If we sign this, we will have given management the final bit of rope they need to hang us. This TA gives management a path to get rid of 50 seat RJ's that they do not want. It then allows for 70 additional 76 seat RJ's (which are really 90+) RJ's that have CASM's better than we have and are mainline replacement jets. Furthermore, there is no enforceable language to have these additional RJ's pulled down or their block hours reduced when we shrink on the mainline side. Add the fact that we've inserted the RAH scope abuse as a permanent part of our contract, this is the single worst thing that's ever been done to our scope.

That is true. But thoses meager (my opinion) pay rates have been fully funded by the reduction of our profit sharing, loss of work rules and other concessions. This equals a cost neutral contract as described by all honest people...including our LEC reps.

And all DALPA members thought our MINIMUM gains were also very well defined by our union. That's what the survey was for. Now we know our own union turned their backs on that as a "fools errand" and "unattainable".

Carl

I've got an FO who lives in the neighborhood. The other day he was running down our street. I told my wife he was a yes voter. My wife was screaming after him "PUSxY. I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR Axx."

I am glad I am married to the one I've got. No discussion necessary.

Comments like these amaze me. Are you trying to pick a fight or are you trying to prove to the internet how ignorant comments such as these are?

If it means anything, every military buddy that I'm good friends with at DAL is extremely POd by this TA. It is 100% a show stopper. The mil guys I know are currently in the process of fleeing to FDX and SWA (UPS when they start hiring again). I know three guys that have recently bailed just prior to this TA. Some are volunteering or have put themselves on long term deployment orders. From their perspective, this TA has justified their actions.

However, I know two civilian FOs from my DAL class as well as a civilian CA that are very much for this TA. The CA is vehemently defending this TA and that isn't an exaggeration. The CA has been posting extremely dire comments into various social media sites.

My wife knows I know a hell of a lot more about airline stuff than her. I told her I was voting no. She didn't even question me.

Look in the news section. It was put out a week or two ago. All of phase 2 is mainline. Here is part of the news article.

Delta also is optimizing its schedule at JFK to facilitate convenient connections to international flights. From JFK, Delta operates nonstop flights to more than 45 international destinations.
“We're excited to be announcing new and expanded service to these popular leisure destinations at the same time we're building our new domestic hub at LaGuardia Airport," said Gail Grimmett, s.v.p.–New York. “It's another step toward achieving our goal of becoming the preferred airline in New York.”
In conjunction with the LGA expansion, Delta is investing $160 million to modernize two terminals at the airport and construct a new walkway connecting the facilities. At JFK, Delta is under way on a $1.2 billion program to enhance and expand Terminal 4, adding nine new gates and creating a state-of-the-art gateway for New York's fastest growing global airline. That facility will open in spring 2013.
New and expanded service to the Caribbean and Bermuda includes daily year-round service between LGA and Bermuda; and new Saturday flights between JFK and St. Maarten. Also, LGA-Nassau flights will be expanded from seasonal to year-round service; JFK-Montego Bay, Jamaica, flights will grow from Saturday seasonal to daily service; JFK-Aruba service will increase from Saturday seasonal flights to daily year-round service and JFK-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, flights will expand from Saturday seasonal to daily year-round service.
Delta will also add new and expanded service to Florida including two new flights between LGA and Sarasota; a new flight between JFK and Fort Myers, a fourth daily flight between LGA and Fort Myers, as well as a fifth daily flight between LGA and Miami and Tampa, and a second daily flight between JFK and Tampa.

That money is put into one pocket, and taken out with other concessions and profit sharing loss. Our TA is COST NEUTRAL to the company.

It does no such thing. Even IF it did, we do not have a union willing or able to enforce the language. Our union knows only how to renegotiate the language.

Then taken away from the pilots with other concessions and profit sharing loss. Not to mention we are offering up 70 new efficient mainline replacement jets while we talk about renting some old ones. Old ones that will produce the jobs on the low end of our pay scale. Cost neutral to Delta.

I agree slowplay, so why do you keep being so disingenuous? Your own LEC reps are saying (in writing) that the MEC is far too personally invested in this product to be able to explain it in an objective manner. Think about it. This is a damn ugly baby. But it's your baby, and any parent would be angry at hearing that truth.

Carl

Glad you're able to avoid this discussion (as am I). Many guys will be having it, though. The guys that need the money now will be the surest yes votes.

As for me- no wife/ kids in college/ college fully funded/ minimal mortgage.
Still on the fence re my vote; will have to see a solid plan B before voting no

So I have to say, it sure looks like expectations were being managed for a reason, to achieve a predetermined low goal. A status quo if you will.

Because it is kind of interesting how the retort to a line pilot demanding higher pay was "what are you going to give up to get that?" When we started saying DALPA, that line was dropped.

But if higher pay was demanded, we were told to look around at the industry and to ignore SWA and Fedex and focus on UAL. When we looked around we couldn't help but notice SWA, we were told our low pay was due to them and that we should despise them. When we ignored that and said we still liked their pay, we were told do you want their work rules too? They require fewer pilots! We said we don't want fewer pilots, just their W2. Little did we know about the fewer pilots gag.

When we still talked about higher pay we were told expect a never ending section 6. That'd we never be released and time value of money and stuff.

Then after all of that we got this quick TA.

And you have to look at it and wonder was this not the plan all along? Unless we've been in negotiation far earlier than was announced, it seems as if inflation rates of 4/8.5/3/3 was the goal all along. Then you get all of these letters from mostly former NWA LEC chapters and it sure seems like there was a goal separate from the pilots, at least when you look at the pilot survey.

Now back to Section 1.

This is false. Nothing is tightened. The baby is ugly, but its parents refuse to see it.

You need to not worry about using it as a signature line, you need to live by it...instead of not understanding that your baby is ugly.

Carl