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KC10 FATboy 05-27-2012 08:43 AM

LGA Expansion Phase II
 
Question ...

RA on said on his weekly message that we are moving into Phase II of the LGA expansion. He mentioned that initially many of the destinations were started with DCI aircraft. Now that the process has matured, we are up gauging the routes to mainline aircraft. He said to check DLNET to see the changes.

Where on DLNET is this? Is he meaning going to TravelNet to view the changes? Or is there a listing of all of the equipment changes on DLNET? I've scoured the website and couldn't find anything.

Thanks ...

flyallnite 05-27-2012 08:46 AM

It seems like there are a segment of DL pilots for whom this job is basically a hobby/beer money. Over on the Dalpa forum, a particular NY copilot who has no kids, flies to Nice every week so he can put on his fancy suits and take a helicopter over to see his buddy at the palace in Monaco. Good for him, this job is just a ride to the party. For those of us with mouths to feed and college educations to pay for, I find this obscene. Of course he is all for this TA, as are a few trust funders with their +1's. Somebody please call his a$$ out.

slowplay 05-27-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1198683)
That remains to be seen, 3 years is a long time, and all the majors, SWA, FedEx will have had ample time to exceed those rates. For now, we are making record profits following a successful merger which put us squarely in the lead among our contemporaries.

Yes, we will be in an industry leading position and those guys will have time to catch up to us....and that's bad why? Tell me again why they didn't catch our 2004 rates between 2005-2012 when they were solidly profitable?:confused:

As to your "record profits"...not exactly. We've had 3 years in the last decade where we have been profitable, with an average pretax margin during those years of 3.7%. Compare that to C2K, where the 5 years prior produced and average pretax margin over 8%. 1998 was a 12% margin and produced PTIX of $1.68 billion. PTIX from 1996-2000 was $7.4 billion, and that's without adding in the PTIX made by NWA. PTIX from 2007-2011 was $1.1 billion. 2010 was our best year post merger and produced PTIX of $1.45 billion, so the numbers aren't even close even though our revenue has nearly tripled.

newKnow 05-27-2012 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198628)
You realize that in 2015 Delta pilots will be leading the industry (again) in pay rates? And can you explain why the three airlines that never went bankrupt and have been profitable throughout this period (FDX, UPS, SWA) never caught up to those 2004 rates of pay?

Oh, can you show me how those "fighting" unions have produced better results? Maybe an NWA guy can remind us how much of a pay rate increase they got after a 14 day lockout in 1998.

I'm all for a fight if it gets us better results. I'll follow just about any path that produces better results. But advocating for a path that hasn't produced any results...:confused:

As a thick-skinned ex-NWA guy, I really don't care that some of you guys always seem to bring up our history in a somewhat negative light -- as if we serve as an example of what not to do. I am more than willing to refute and defend the NWA pilot groups history. But, is this really part of the discussion you want to have, or are you just trying to jab us?

P.S. I think we did pretty good in 1998.

CVG767A 05-27-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1198692)
It seems like there are a segment of DL pilots for whom this job is basically a hobby/beer money. Over on the Dalpa forum, a particular NY copilot who has no kids, flies to Nice every week so he can put on his fancy suits and take a helicopter over to see his buddy at the palace in Monaco. Good for him, this job is just a ride to the party. For those of us with mouths to feed and college educations to pay for, I find this obscene. Of course he is all for this TA, as are a few trust funders with their +1's. Somebody please call his a$$ out.

It seems to me that a guy who is doing this as a hobby would be more likely to vote no, rather than yes. For " those of us with mouths to feed and college educations to pay for", I predict a difficult discussion with the wife at the kitchen table. "What?!? You're voting against a pay raise because you don't like the Republic carve-out?!!"

This TA will pass 60/40, and it will be voted in primarily by junior pilots. As Sailing has said, there's little in this deal for the wide body captains. The one big pay bump during your career comes with the move to the left seat. This TA promises a lot of new left seats. That, combined with a small (too small!) pay raise, will carry the day.

DoubleTrouble 05-27-2012 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198623)
The MEC was briefed on costing. Direct compensation is "hard" numbers. Much of the changes to Section 1 have very different costs in the eyes of management and ALPA (JV protections, code share restrictions, furlough protections) so are "soft" numbers. The manning changes created by this agreement are dependent on business plan execution so are "soft" numbers. All of that was briefed.

If Delta was going to save $1billion in RJ costs and put $1billion in your pocket instead how are you worse off?:confused:

As to "cost neutral"...again, this agreement takes money out of one of Delta's accounting silos and puts it into ours, a significant plus for pilots. Delta management has a very different target audience (we're less than 1/6 of the employee group) and a lot of interested parties in New York City and Washington, D.C. Note that Bastian was at a financial conference both the day after the TA was announced and the day after our TA was ratified by the MEC "explaining" it to investors.


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198650)
Then your rep was misinformed or misheard your question. Detailed costing was briefed to the MEC.



Scambo answers this quite well...

I will talk to my rep again. I'm sure it was the costing like 51 was costed.

And still no answer on the productivity changes. Answer embarrassing?

FrankCobretti 05-27-2012 09:14 AM

S&P revises Delta Air Lines outlook to positive

Overview
-- U.S.-based Delta Air Lines is generating free cash flow, and we
believe its credit measures will gradually improve as the company repays debt.
-- We are affirming our 'B' corporate credit rating and our other ratings
on Delta while revising the outlook to positive from stable.
-- We could raise ratings if the improvement in financial measures occurs
more rapidly than we currently expect, resulting in funds flow to debt rising
into the mid-teens percent area.

Rating Action
On May 25, 2012, Standard & Poor's Ratings Services affirmed its ratings,
including the 'B' corporate credit rating (CCR), on Atlanta-based Delta Air
Lines Inc. We revised the outlook to positive from stable.

More at the link.

flyallnite 05-27-2012 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198696)
Yes, we will be in an industry leading position and those guys will have time to catch up to us....and that's bad why? Tell me again why they didn't catch our 2004 rates between 2005-2012 when they were solidly profitable?:confused:

As to your "record profits"...not exactly. We've had 3 years in the last decade where we have been profitable, with an average pretax margin during those years of 3.7%. Compare that to C2K, where the 5 years prior produced and average pretax margin over 8%. 1998 was a 12% margin and produced PTIX of $1.68 billion. PTIX from 1996-2000 was $7.4 billion, and that's without adding in the PTIX made by NWA. PTIX from 2007-2011 was $1.1 billion. 2010 was our best year post merger and produced PTIX of $1.45 billion, so the numbers aren't even close even though our revenue has nearly tripled.

It's bad because of the opportunity cost of what could have been achieved in light of the leverage that we had. It's bad because it sets a precedent that bankruptcy era wages are here to stay, and that a cola type increase is the best we can expect from now until eternity. It's bad because those rates aren't even close to what the company used to pay us when we had a full DB pension and far better work rules. It's bad because we actually traded away profit sharing and work rules and some argue scope to achieve those raises... what will we be asked to concede in 2015 for our next round of 3% raises?

Delta reported a RECORD PROFIT in Q4, 2011, see article below

Atlanta, GA – In what executives called the best Q4 showing in company history, Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Wednesday reported a $425-million dollar profit for the last three months of 2011.
That's a steep jump compared to the previous year, where its net gain was $19-million.
Speaking on an investor conference call, Delta president Ed Bastian said the earnings were "remarkable."
"Delta faced over $3-billion in fuel price pressure during 2011, which we were able to mitigate through strong revenue performance, capacity discipline, and a sound fuel-hedging strategy," he said.
For the year, Delta posted an $854-million profit, achieved partly through higher ticket prices and capacity cuts.



***Expect more of the same in 2012.***


As far as reports Delta is looking to acquire bankrupt American Airlines, CEO Richard Anderson remained tight-lipped.
"We're not going to make any comments on any of the speculations."

fisherpilot 05-27-2012 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by LivingTheDream (Post 1198620)
I really don't understand the debate on this TA. In 2015, the 7er will pay $216. In 2004, the 7er paid 267. So 11 years later, it will pay $51 less (or 19% less). 11 years later!

Did anyone think we would have any chance of meaningful restoration without a fight?

If we have any hope of truly restoring this profession, we will have to go to the mattresses. Period. (It definitely won't come from a 2 month, Neville Chamberlin, peace in our time, TA.

This not an LOA/MOU. This is our 1st section 6 since BK. I would hope our goal would be significant (i.e., large) gains in all areas of the contract.

I for one, am not ready to throw the towel in on this profession. I hope that the majority agrees.


Great Post!

flyallnite 05-27-2012 09:22 AM

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&c...,r:9,s:0,i:158

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1198704)
Great Post!



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