Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1270712)

It's good to know that all that Alaska feed will now feed Korean Air, instead of our Pacific ops... I guess this explains the lack of widebody orders!

Just take a look at what's happened in NYC to our transatlantic ops, and you'll get a taste of what's to come out in the Pacific. So, without further ado, here's the answer to the HND problem, as I predicted...

Delta Air Lines Inc. and Korean Air Lines Co. are in talks to expand a decade-old marketing joint venture that has been overtaken by closer alliances among their rivals.



The discussions signal that relations between the second and third largest carriers across the Pacific have warmed since Delta's failed attempt two years ago to buy a stake in Japan Airlines Co., which would have shifted Delta's emphasis to Tokyo at the expense of Seoul. The Delta-JAL talks fell apart after the Japanese carrier opted to remain in an alliance with Delta rival American Airlines.


The airline industry is increasingly moving away from loose global alliances toward deeper pacts between individual airlines that, with regulators' blessing, have allowed them to coordinate fares, flight schedules and marketing, and pool revenues and profit.
Though Delta has pursued individual alliances on trans-Atlantic routes, it doesn't have the same level of cooperation on routes to and from Asia enjoyed by some members of the rival Oneworld and Star airline marketing alliances, despite a small deal with Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd.
John Jackson, Vice President Marketing for the Americas at Korean Air, said talks are under way with Delta to expand their existing cooperation, which now includes the ability to cross-sell seats on each others' flights and some limited use of the antitrust immunity granted by competition authorities in 2002.


"[The talks] have become more active," said Mr. Jackson, who declined in recent interview to detail the scope of the discussions.

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1270650)

Shop around, you should be able to find an older 172 for ~$110-120. Still expensive, yeah. Five hour checkout for any 172 is insanity, can dang near solo a new student in that time! On the other hand...depending on how long since you've flown a small plane, might take a few hours to get you to stop flaring at 50 feet! :D

Flying clubs are the way to go for economical flying these days. Better yet, get to know an older bugsmasher pilot who's not getting up as much and volunteer to exercise his airplane occasionally in exchange for safety pilot/CFI work. There are a ton of 70-80 yr old airplane owners who have lost their medical or are barely holding onto it.

I'm in one small informal flying club around a '49 Cessna 170A. It's $50/hr dry, bout $85-90/hr once you put gas in it. I also have a 1/12 share in a '46 Piper Cub, very basic 75 hp with no electrical system...only $50, wet, per tach hour on a slow-running tach. Doesn't go anywhere fast but you can't beat the fun for the money! Long story short, if you're looking to get back into flying small planes, yeah, it's more expensive than you remember, but you can do a lot better than renting a brand new $300k C172 :eek:.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 1270393)

I got it, how about Boobs On The Move?

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Cap it off with Epic Underboob on the Move!!
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Originally Posted by Big Stick (Post 1270807)

But, but, but....there's no money in cargo!:D