NewK,

It is not my intent to bring up the strike in a negative light. It was my intent to show the results that two different strikes (yours and Spirit) produced.

You guys had no choice but to strike. You had a management team that thought they could "win". Your management team was very, very wrong. You guys did good.

Again, I'm not trying to poke a very honorable effort, but to put context into the discussion of those calling for a "fight." In 1998 your contract (and mine) was in a far different place than 4th in the industry with a TA that would take you to first.

Sorry that my post created the impression of an attack.

None of those had their company coming to THEM and asking for an early opener because they wanted something. I know it would ruin your incredibly phony thesis if you ever acknowledged that our situation is different.

From what I hear, they're going professionally. Pretty good given the fact they're at the top of the pay heap and will be even after our TA is amendable. Really good considering SWAPA's scope.

NWA, FDX, UPS just to name a few. All of these have/had to fight really hard and even strike to get what was fair. Is this pilot group willing to fight such a fight? Is this pilot group even willing to say NO to a first offer? We already know our union bureauacracy can't do either.

Carl

Unbelievable! You're an idiot and should be completely ashamed of yourself, especially on Memorial Day weekend. Why don't you get over yourself and go do some volunteer work at the local VA hospital. :mad:

Our MEC specifically stated over and over again that was indeed our goal. "Lead the industry in all areas". "Never compromise quality for expediency". "Ready to return to a traditional Section 6 if the expedited talks don't produce what the will of our pilots have demanded through their surveys."

Carl

It was mostly military guys who got us c2k rates. One strike committee guy I remember was ex AFA. Psych major. I don't think anybody could ever get inside his head-- very smart and determined.

We will NOT. You don't even know what's in SWAPA's contract or how to properly compare their pay. Others from SWA have taken the time to post it. And once again, pay rates often tell a misleading story. Pay rates, fleet mix, scope and work rules tell the whole story.

I know it was a significant bump in pay rate, but I don't remember anymoe. That wasn't the fight anyway. We went on strike to eliminate the B-scale. Management would NOT budge. After our strike, they budged. The B-scale was eliminated at the end of our post strike contract.

No you're not. The wording of your very own sentence proves it. You don't know what the results are until after the fight. What you're really saying is that you'd NEVER fight...because you can't know what the results of that fight would be.

But you don't need to worry about fighting anyway. This contract doesn't apply to you MEC bureaucrats who get the 92 hours of FPL on the highest equipment you can hold. I know you just don't get why anyone would fight over somethng as good as you have it.

Carl

They're not misinformed and they didn't mishear. You're lying. As the reps are also saying, the MEC is too personally invested in this product to be able to describe it objectively (I say honestly).

Carl

Hey folks, don't get distracted and get into the FDAL vs. FNWA or Military vs. Civilian. We are all one despite our backgrounds. If we don't get this right, all of the contracts of the past will seem like the glory days. Let's get this profession moving forward, time to change the trend line.

Yes. They represent management. They're OK if members also get represented assuming members wishes align with management, but that's secondary. Look at how hard slowplay and alfaromeo are trying to get us to see this TA through the eyes of management. Look at how slowplay and alfaromeo says thngs like: 'this is as far management would go' and 'I promise you they will not move from this position if we vote NO.' I ask any objective participant, who does DALPA sound like they're representing?

We don't know. Some LEC reps are saying it clearly did not. The others are silent. No rep that I know of is saying that this TA met the will of the pilot group as stated by the survey. But since we won't get to see the survey...

Absolutely no chance. You're not even going to get to see the DCI contracts or any of that critical scope paperwork prior to the vote.

Carl

I know someone else mentioned this but from the Press Release.

Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service
Airline adds new and expanded flights to 10 popular destinations from LaGuardia, JFK

May 21, 2012

NEW YORK, May 21, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced new and expanded service to 10 popular destinations in the Caribbean, Bermuda and Florida from LaGuardia Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport, continuing its historic expansion in New York.

The new flights, which will begin in late 2012 and early 2013, are in addition to Delta's previously announced expansion at New York-LaGuardia, where the airline is adding more than 100 new flights to 26 new destinations this summer. When its full schedule is implemented, Delta will operate more than 260 daily flights between LaGuardia and more than 60 cities, exceeding any other carrier.

Delta also is optimizing its schedule at JFK to facilitate convenient connections to international flights. JFK is a major global gateway for Delta, which operates nonstop flights to more than 45 international destinations from the airport.

"We're excited to be announcing new and expanded service to these popular leisure destinations at the same time we're building our new domestic hub at LaGuardia Airport," said Gail Grimmett, Delta's senior vice president – New York. "It's another step toward achieving our goal of becoming the preferred airline in New York."

In conjunction with its expansion at LaGuardia, Delta is investing $160 million to modernize two terminals at the airport and construct a new walkway connecting the facilities. At JFK, Delta is currently under way on a $1.2 billion program to enhance and expand Terminal 4, adding nine new gates and creating a state-of-the-art gateway for New York's fastest growing global airline. That facility will open in spring 2013.

New and expanded service to the Caribbean and Bermuda includes:

New daily year-round service between LaGuardia and Bermuda.
New Saturday flights between JFK and St. Maarten.*
LaGuardia-Nassau flights will be expanded from seasonal to year-round service.
JFK-Montego Bay, Jamaica, flights will grow from Saturday seasonal to daily service.
JFK-Aruba service will increase from Saturday seasonal flights to daily year-round service.
JFK-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, flights will expand from Saturday seasonal to daily year-round service.

New and expanded service to Florida includes:

Two new flights between LaGuardia and Sarasota, Fla.
A new flight between JFK and Fort Myers, Fla.
A fourth daily flight between LaGuardia and Fort Myers.
A fifth daily flight between LaGuardia and Miami.
A fifth daily flight between LaGuardia and Tampa.
A second daily flight between JFK and Tampa.