Carl, I have to admit this post is pure genius. Love it.

Please don't get weary, any of you.

The 30 days you all spend grinding this up and digesting it, both on the interwebz and at the roadshows, are days well spent.

Imagine how weary you will be in three years (or five) if you get this wrong...

First, the company already mentioned before the TA their ideal number of 50 seaters was around 150 ish if I remember right. They want out of them but the long term contracts they signed themselves have them stuck with something they're already telling us they don't want. Scope winning is not giving them what they want, less small RJs for bigger ones.

Second, what is the protection against pump and dump under the TA?

Pump with 717s, add jumbo RJs, and then dump other mainline aircraft?

OK ya'll.. I am done with this. You have obviously made up your mind based on what you are willing to look at and the 76 seats.. You win.. Vote no, and I will cancel out 1 vote.

I will be able to say "I told you so" when this is over.

Bye

Ok ,but is there a ROI on trading 70's for 76 seat aircraft? That in itself is self limiting.

OK, Tsquare is getting weary. Someone post some underboob for the guy.

And then reduce DCI block hours... in 2015.

All the protection you could ever ask for. :D

They increase the ratio as the 76 seaters increase, not because of mainline jets leaving.

DCI 450 will give them a 1.554 ratio* if our block hours never change, meaning a 1:1 replacement of something mainline for 717s. And I'm sure if we got the actual numbers not rounded, we can find another .001 to kick that to 1.56.

That's not protection, that's letting them trim the unwanted fat of CRJ-200s at DCI for something they really want, lots more jumbo RJs.

Which I know is a cut in capacity overall, but remember this headline from this month...
Airline Stocks Tumble After Delta Air Lines Trims Capacity More Than Expected DAL UAL RYAAY - Investors.com
Delta, Joint Venture partners announce deep capacity cuts - USATODAY.com

Nothing has to be shifted. I think we lose when we get rid of mainline hull counts in the equation.

*alfa's math problem.

I have a feeling that was a rare occasion when the other side of the table did not DYODD.

I don't think they thought through the ROI question on sending back newish 70 seaters for new 76 seaters.

Good thing the TA gave them relief on that.

OK, whether it's 2014 or 2015 the fact is that I don't get it now and haven't for a number of years. I wouldn't have even brought it up had you not referenced me personally as geting XX in pay and 40,000 a year in dc payments. You used that premise to then ask me a question. I felt it only proper to remind you that your premise was wrong. There are many junior folks that I fly with who are thankful we on the top half are giving all our dc payments to the bottom half, others flat-out tell me to my face that I should be giving more. Regardless, water under the bridge and will be until 2014 or 2015. I was only trying to be accurate and honest in response to the question that you were posing.

My final average earnings when it was frozen was just under 20K per month. With freeze, we went from 60% of final average earnings to 50% FAE. That puts my monthly pension at age 60 at just under 10K per month...if it's not terminated by then that is. If I stay all the way to 60, then about 1500 per month of that pension is available to be had as a lump sum as opposed to monthly payments. I've heard the lump sum for this is about 100K, but I won't know until I retire at 60.

Carl