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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1143137)
Ticket prices have to reflect the commodity we sell. Passing 85% of the increase of the cost of fuel along to the consumer is 15% shy of what they need to be doing. Period. If that results in contraction, so be it. We need to have a sustainable business plan that has costs passed to the consumer, and not ate by labor.
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Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143154)
Do not let that extinguish your hopes! Erase the problems of other carriers form the equation. They are not our problem. We made $1 bil. each year the last two years and in this economy. They can afford our restoration and they will still have profit left over. We are negotiating for an agreement with Delta Air Lines not the rest of the airline industry.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1143145)
My opinion isn't worth much, but here it is. I highly doubt the company will offer any leaves greater then 1 year. They won't even offer us early retirements that they're offering the rest of the airline employees. If one thinks they have better opportunities over seas, one will likely be required to resign. You won't be able to keep your number at DAL. And I don't see us getting restoration. Maybe SWA rates max, but that's it. Anything else will likely be a loooong fight. I thought we had a better chance, but Unicals failure to go anywhere and AA filing BK extinguished my hopes. Add to it GK is looking for lower labor costs at SWA, & the chances of a restoration contract are fading.
Point being, if you're considering an ex pat job but waiting until this contract is complete to decide, you may cost yourself several years of pay and seniority at the ex pat job. This contract may take a while. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1143145)
My opinion isn't worth much, but here it is. I highly doubt the company will offer any leaves greater then 1 year. They won't even offer us early retirements that they're offering the rest of the airline employees. If one thinks they have better opportunities over seas, one will likely be required to resign. You won't be able to keep your number at DAL. And I don't see us getting restoration. Maybe SWA rates max, but that's it. Anything else will likely be a loooong fight. I thought we had a better chance, but Unicals failure to go anywhere and AA filing BK extinguished my hopes. Add to it GK is looking for lower labor costs at SWA, & the chances of a restoration contract are fading.
Point being, if you're considering an ex pat job but waiting until this contract is complete to decide, you may cost yourself several years of pay and seniority at the ex pat job. This contract may take a while. |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 1143156)
Absolutely agree. I am tired of subsidizing the traveling public's fuel costs from my own pocket.
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
(Post 1143108)
AE this Friday or Next? They said early March...
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1143114)
Hoping they delay it another month or two! :D
Probably will be the first one in a long time that is posted as planned. :rolleyes: I propose, a takeoff of "I Sang Dixie" sung by B-U-double-Z. Hit it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2laJLyGSnJM :D I sang Dixie, as L.A. died But people just walked on by, as I cried The AEs had robbed us, of all our narrowbody pride So I sang Dixie, as L.A. died I said way down yonder in the land of cotton (ATL), old times there ain't near as rotten As they are in this damned old L.A.X. Narrowbodies drew a dying breath, and I laid the AE against my chest Please Lord, take this soul back to Dixie And I sang Dixie, as mainline died But people just walked on by, as I cried The JV had robbed us, of all our widebody pride So I sang Dixie, as mainline died I say listen to me son while you still can, run to a left seat in Thailand, Don't you see, what life here has done to me They closed all those big seats, and I fell to the elongated nine, No more pain, and now I'm temporarily safe back home in Dixie And I sang Dixie, as mainline died But people just walked on by, as I cried Our weak scope had robbed us, of all our pride So I sang Dixie as mainline died. . |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1143179)
We need a song for this new AE.
I propose, a takeoff of "I Sang Dixie" sung by B-U-double-Z. Hit it! Dwight Yoakam - I sang Dixie - YouTube :D I sang Dixie, as L.A. died But people just walked on by, as I cried The AEs had robbed us, of all our narrowbody pride So I sang Dixie, as L.A. died I said way down yonder in the land of cotton (ATL), old times there ain't near as rotten As they are in this damned old L.A.X. Narrowbodies drew a dying breath, and I laid the AE against my chest Please Lord, take this soul back to Dixie And I sang Dixie, as mainline died But people just walked on by, as I cried The JV had robbed us, of all our widebody pride So I sang Dixie, as mainline died I say listen to me son while you still can, run to the left seat in Thailand, Don't you see, what life here has done to me They closed all those big seats, and I fell to the elongated nine, No more pain, and now I'm temporarily safe back home in Dixie And I sang Dixie, as mainline died But people just walked on by, as I cried Our weak scope had robbed us, of all our pride So I sang Dixie as mainline died. |
Originally Posted by LandGreen2
(Post 1143071)
Maybe some of the LCA can challenge RA at the next meeting regarding his logic of using industry standard pay for his pilots and industry leading pay for his executive team. His response to the question could be our next bag sticker!
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1143181)
Awesome, and I know you are sober! :D
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143018)
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
1st. So, RA feels we are paid about right and DAL will only pay industry average wages? What are those AF/KLM payrates? How much better are their benefits? ;) I'm not even going to beat the SWA/AT horse again. Everyone here gets it. Christ, just look at their medical benefits which I do believe they all get on day one of the integration. 2nd. As for the other employees. Most, if not all groups, are close to or have passed their Bk pay levels. They also did not take as severe of a haircut that we did. We do not have to consider them, nor how RA feels he has to respond to them, in context to our own contract. That argument is a non starter. And by the way, he will likely have to take that up with their union(s) anyway. Next merger is going to most likely end that drama once and for all at DAL |
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