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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143401)
All you have to do is talk to your reps. They are not going to give details but they will give you a general idea. A survey online by DPA has no validity to what pilots actually put in the real survey they knew was going to be used to construct a opener. Most pilots are very aware that if you over reach under the RLA you end up iced long term. There is a time value to a contract. The Dalpa survey unlike the DPA survey has real implications and pilots who are concerned about maximizing their income and quality of life for themselves and their families put a lot of thought into what they felt was achievable. I told my reps what I had put in the survey and asked how what I put down compared with others. I was told I was right at the mean in the surveys. My upfront raise was 20 percent with ongoing 5 percent raises over the life of a 4 year contract. Total 40. I wanted a lot on the other items and I was told I asked more then most in those areas. My emphasis areas were increasing copilot pay to a 15 year scale taking the max up to 75 percent of CA pay. Sick leave back to the pre 1113 program, DC up to 18 percent, reserve pay 5 hours below ALV with a 70 hour minimum, Vacation and training pay and credit for line construction and actual pay with increases to 4 hours per day for both. Section 1 gross weight maximum reduced to pre LOA 46 weight with current contracts sunsetted. 6th week of vacation restored. Distributed training pays 1 for 1.
I tried to figure a value for all I ask for and am guessing it is worth about 3/4 of a billion per year by the end of the contract. Thats about half the cost of a true restoration contract. Some items such a pay and vacation becoming pay and credit would have to be phased in because they will require several hundred more CA positions. I would give them a 2 year phase in on items like that. Thanks for sharing Sailing. |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 1143413)
Great post!
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143419)
Its a great post until you read the RLA.
Giving up is what makes it permanent." |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143419)
Its a great post until you read the RLA.
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Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1143405)
Oh, so all trust, no verify. Got it.
Drink the dam juice, its good for you...I promise:eek: Love, Madoff TEN |
Originally Posted by dal 88 driver
(Post 1143421)
"being defeated is often only a temporary condition.
Giving up is what makes it permanent." |
Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143423)
**** the RLA! Laws can change. We can make it happen. If we all had balls, and I mean collectively all pilots, when it got down to the wire we would use our toes and stop the entire operation. Are they going to throw us all in jail?
American waives rest of fine Pilots union's had still owed $26 million from penalty for 1999 sickout 07/19/2003 By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News American Airlines Inc. said Friday it has forgiven $26 million of the $45.5 million fine levied against the Allied Pilots Association after its members conducted a 1999 sickout. The amount represents what the APA still owed the carrier. A federal judge imposed the fine as punishment for the sickout. The airline waived the $26 million during concessions talks this spring that saved the airline from bankruptcy. But the move wasn't made public until Friday, when American's parent company, AMR Corp., filed its quarterly Securities and Exchange Commission report. The APA – which agreed to $660 million in annual pay and benefits cuts in April – told its 12,000 members about the fine in the spring. American spokesman Todd Burke acknowledged the move Friday but wouldn't comment further. The pilots launched the sickout to protest American's handling of the December 1998 acquisition of Reno Air. They were upset about how the airline integrated Reno pilots into the American seniority list. The 12-day sickout cost the carrier $200 million to $225 million. American sued the pilots union, alleging it had violated the Railway Labor Act, which also applies to the aviation industry. Under the law, neither management nor unions are allowed to take "job actions" outside of contract talks – and only then if the parties are released from negotiations. U.S. District Court Judge Joe Kendall of Dallas found the union and its officers in contempt because the pilots didn't comply with a back-to- work order and assessed the $45.5 million fine. [email protected] |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143419)
Its a great post until you read the RLA.
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1143421)
"Being defeated is often only a temporary condition.
Giving up is what makes it permanent." |
Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143423)
**** the RLA! Laws can change. We can make it happen. If we all had balls, and I mean collectively all pilots, when it got down to the wire we would use our toes and stop the entire operation. Are they going to throw us all in jail?
It is my belief that decoupling airlines from the RLA should be his first priority. |
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