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Carl Spackler 02-29-2012 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1143323)
FDX Express 2011 Revenue: 24.58B/4579 Pilots = $5,350,513 per Pilot.

THAT is why it is hard to compare that....

What about profit per pilot?

FedEx Express 2011 = $1.22 Billion (looks a lot like DAL) on a 5.2% operating margin. (DAL pulled out a margin in the 6-8% range).

So many metrics.... Lies, d@mn lies, and statistics.

All true shiznit. But wouldn't it be great if our bargaining agent communicated the metrics that advatage US the most? Instead, the DALPA communicators here only reference metrics that make us look higher paid and lower worked. Why is that?

Carl

Carl Spackler 02-29-2012 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1143329)
First of all I said nothing of what I expect (I don't say that with animosity, I just didn't state it). I just grow tired of the same old catch phrases that get repeated and repeated.

I agree. I especially grow tired of the ALPA catch phrase describing their clear conflict of interest as a "perceived conflict of interest."

Carl

buzzpat 02-29-2012 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 1143356)
My F/O and I figured how much we would make if just working for tips,....only. Figure it out, and be ready to be blown away!

We are on the 88 and figured tips at 15%, with 100% participation....then 50%...then 25%...then....(still blown away)......

My CA and I did the exact same thing on my last trip. It works out much better for us doesn't it?

Carl Spackler 02-29-2012 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143338)
Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Yes it was. DALPA just can't say it.

Carl

freightguy 02-29-2012 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1143370)
All true shiznit. But wouldn't it be great if our bargaining agent communicated the metrics that advatage US the most? Instead, the DALPA communicators here only reference metrics that make us look higher paid and lower worked. Why is that?

Carl

I know! Few pages back on this thread, we got compared to US Airways!! :mad: That's one hell of a model airline. Never mind Southwest, Fedex, UPS etc...

I want to see both the company's and DALPA'S openers.

buzzpat 02-29-2012 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143338)
Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Oh, do tell then sailing. What was reflected in the surveys? DPA has released their survey results. Looks like 35-40% is pretty accurate.

Carl Spackler 02-29-2012 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1143360)
If you are so certain about how your hard-nosed rebuttal would send the management negotiators slinking away, will you be applying for the negotiating committee soon?

I'm certain that it would send management slinking away because any attempt by management to use another employee group for any reason is forbidden in a Section 6 negotiations under the RLA.

Carl

acl65pilot 02-29-2012 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1143372)
My CA and I did the exact same thing on my last trip. It works out much better for us doesn't it?


You assume that all people tip 20%. I will tell ya that people are normally a lot cheaper than that! :eek:

flyallnite 02-29-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1143359)
And every one of those "hundreds" would fly another airline if their two hours of online ticket searching resulted in them finding another ticket that cost $5 less.

Don't think for one second that ANY of those passengers are willing to pay one cent more for their ticket for our sake.

Been hearing this refrain a lot lately. The fact is though, that people pay more on SWA because it's SWA, and that's who they fly. They don't even bother to check other airlines.

A lot of our sales are corporate, in bulk, and involve contracts. We have a strong loyalty program, with a lot of perks that people consider when buying a ticket.

Will Ma and Pa Kettle buy a ticket on Allegiant to go to Vegas this spring? You betcha. Do we want their business? Not so much anymore. It's all about the HVC now.

The days of some fly by night operator swooping into markets with a bunch of brand new Airbii and a new operating certificate are over. It's a pay to play market now, and it's all full up.

Carl Spackler 02-29-2012 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by freightguy (Post 1143376)
I know! Few pages back on this thread, we got compared to US Airways!! :mad: That's one hell of a model airline. Never mind Southwest, Fedex, UPS etc...

That was sailingfun. That's what he does.


Originally Posted by freightguy (Post 1143376)
I want to see both the company's and DALPA'S openers.

You might get to see the company's opener, but you'll not see DALPA's opener. You need to understand the DALPA strategy here. If DALPA released the incredibly weak opener, they'd be kicked out of power and they know it. DALPA's only hope to shove through a weak TA is to keep you in the dark until a TA is reached. Then send out the TA with the following warning: "This is as good as it's going to get guys. You need to vote YES...and if you vote NO, our negotiators and your MEC will resign and we'll have to start the whole process over again from the beginning."

When this happens, you probably get 51% because of people caving in to fear. More accurately, their spouses caving in to fear. Key to any of this happening is DALPA not showing the opener.

Carl


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