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Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143105)
And let me just add that any increase to our current pay should be referred to as a RESTORATION and not a raise. We all need to use the correct vernacular to make our point clear.
But if it is discussed as "restoration" it should be discussed as "partial restoration far shy of the restoration percentages FA and other work groups have already achieved". |
Some statemens are so moronic, they deserve Carl's smack downs.
If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks. We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests. Nu |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1143244)
At least Carl comes up with a good rebuttal before he attacks. I guess if you can't come up with an intelligent response then just revert to name calling. What grade school do you currently attend ?
Que defiant "no I'm not!" response......3 2 1 |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1143251)
So if they don't agree with you they are either a union hack or a management hack ? Well then where is my fpl and where is my 7 figure salary ?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143196)
I don't know of any employee groups that are getting more pay now then pre chapter 11. The current flight attendant rate is 46 an hour verses 50 before the filing...
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143199)
You would need about a 65% raise with inflation and going back to the old standard of quality of life would require the company hire in excess of 4000 pilots...
(given - one number is adjusted for inflation and the other is not) I think Sailing proves the point that pilots need to come up a bit more to catch up with the other work groups (or at least F/As) when it comes to restoration. |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1143244)
At least Carl comes up with a good rebuttal before he attacks. I guess if you can't come up with an intelligent response then just revert to name calling. What grade school do you currently attend ?
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Your points are valid to an extent. Perception however is everything. Management will have to cough up some major money to the other employees after we sign if its a great contract.
We took the highest percentage paycut among all employee groups. Our guys had been furloughed as well for more than half a decade. So it is only fair to get that re-instated. There will always be other employee groups crying foul about pilots getting paid more. For them, I say go and join a flight school. You can point to airlines with better contracts then Delta. Management is going to point to other examples. USAIR is actually are biggest competitor on a overall passenger basis. We compete on virtually ever Eastern Market. What are their payrates? That's very convenient for the management to compare us to the lowest common denominator. RA does not tell his customers that they are being flown by industry 'average' professionals. |
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 1143257)
Some statemens are so moronic, they deserve Carl's smack downs.
If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks. We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests. Nu |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1143162)
I agree. Anyone that is looking at Expat jobs knows that many of the require a copy of your resignation letter from your previous employer. They will probably mail one in as well. That is just industry standard.
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1143200)
Re: Displacements
What gets me is the company simultaneously planning displacements while not offering the early outs to pilots. Are we overstaffed or aren't we? Take your pick but don't offer me two competing narratives that aren't reconcilable. Re: Transatlantic JV Production balance is a good thing for a JV, no doubt. I'm glad RD was thinking about ways to capture downside protection in LOA16 for the AFKLM JV, something the AF JV previously didn't have. The general concept of MOU14 was sound, capturing a greater share of the AFKLM/AZ flying even if we added the new 3 year compliance window from April 2011 to March 2014. It's there so we'll learn to live with it. While we can't make AFKLM/AZ change their tune and the enforcement window is open, we sure can call out management on the fact that the spirit and trend of the AFKLM/AZ is totally being abused. There is a price for being taken advantage of, even if it is legal... Cheers George Here's my graphic to illustrate the point. It's based of Delta's own slide #8 from Delta's Bank of America briefing 9 months ago. AFKLM/AZ numbers are extrapolated from the given JV Total and Delta share using a 50% production balance as the basis, with a lower production balance share the AFKLM disparity is amplified. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/capacity.jpg For context: RD quoted 6 to 7 Delta transatlantic roundtrip flights to gain 3% of the production balance. His next claim was that we are way ahead in block hours as compared to the Atlantic JV partners to the tune of 68% done by Delta. Unbelievable the spin, but 100% true that this is what he spun it as....Still good for us despite lthe current disparity |
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