Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144445)

Um.. .OK.. did I miss the announcement of the 747-8 purchase and did I just make up the 737-900 purchase in my mind? Nope.. my statement is 100% factual. Yours is pie in the sky.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144388)

-All we have done, and all we are going to be doing for the foreseeable future is buying smaller gauge airframes than those CURRENTLY on the property.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144484)

You don't have to get your mind around it because that's not the argument. The only argument is whether my increased pay rate is justified based on revenue production...definitely NOT increased degree of difficulty.

Carl

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1144455)

Carl,

I like them a little thicker. Do you have any with curves. This one is too skinny for my taste:D

TEN

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144493)

No it wasn't t. For review, here is what you posted - emphasis mine:



You can't possibly call this a factual statement. None of us has any idea if this will be true. I'll bet management doesn't even know at this point if it's true or not. The industry is simply too dynamic.

Carl

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144494)

Do the rest of you guys subscribe to this as being the BEST way to get paid?

Originally Posted by NYRANGERS (Post 1144489)

I agree with tsquare. Pay banding (or some variation) may be the way to go in this new world of bad contracts, age 60..65..etc, KAL is going to fly the A380 into ATL as early as Jan (per yesterday's AJC), getting 737's to replace 757's, code sharing with everyone that has lots of big iron.

This list is stagnant, I have moved backwards every bid in the last 4 years. The time to save money and have it compound is as early as you can. This BS about, "one day you will be senior", worked in the Defined Benefit days, not in the days of mergers, contractions, code sharing and econoic uncertainty. It's time for (maybe, cant quite commit yet) one payrate for captains and one for F/O's. Out of a list of over 12,000, how may pilots are flying 777's and 747's? How many captain seats?

I am a pilot who was hired young (11 years ago) and will retire (health and company withstanding) in the top 20. We will need strong scope on both ends of the spectrum. From RJ's to the biggest equipment. I imagine the majority of pilots would make more $ in the long run with a change in the way our pay scale works. In sted of a few pilots at the top making the most money, we can bring up the majority even if we have to bring down the top pay a little.(all this after a hefty % restoration in the next contract)

Please forgive the spelling and gramatical errors..:o

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1144453)

Mine was sent via direct deposit right on Feb 14th.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144503)

There is really not enough information to make an informed decision.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144465)

Again, you are assuming that they would replace something like a bunch of -88s with a 747. And you even contradict yourself by saying that management could do that, but passengers want more frequency. They will book away if we only have one flight/day and another carrier has 5 or 6.. so that productivity is lost.. doesn't make business sense to upgauge for that reason.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144465)

Second paragraph. If management buys more widebodies simply because of our payrates, then we have no argument that our pay does little to affect the bottom line of the business more than we or management will acknowledge.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144465)

But you are still holding onto the old way of thinking... The 707 was a replacement for DC-6s and other prop driven airplanes.. Hardly a germane argument to this discussion.