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Ferd149 03-02-2012 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1144708)
Call me! Will give you the scoop.

Thanks for your help. I hate wearing dirty underwear, you never know when ya might get lucky......I mean in an accident, yeah yeah that's what my grandmother told me:D

scambo1 03-02-2012 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1144776)
Thanks for your help. I hate wearing dirty underwear, you never know when ya might get lucky......I mean in an accident, yeah yeah that's what my grandmother told me:D

LMAO then I looked at your avatar and laughed harder and I havent even been drinking.

More Bacon 03-02-2012 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1144751)
I think the pay banding model can open up aircraft to junior pilots that may not otherwise be open to them.

I think you're missing the point. I don't need to fly a 747. I demand industry-leading pay, QOL, medical, etc. In return, I'll fly a DC-9 indefinitely.

Elvis90 03-02-2012 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Seaslap8 (Post 1144760)
DPA is waiting in the wings to do what exactly?...and how are they going to do it?...Are they to follow the APA model or USAPA model to the road to riches?

...or the IPA or SWAPA model on the road to riches?

Independent Pilots Association
SWAPA

Elliot 03-02-2012 05:09 PM

Sorry 80kts, I just couldn't resist.

Disclaimer: Take the DPA/D-ALPA arguments to the other thread. I'm so bored with the "flimsy" DPA support, I almost took a full hiatus from L&G about Delta.

Here goes "MB".



Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)
Whatever DPA does, they'll do it better, cheaper, and more efficiently than ALPA.

How are they going to do anything better, more cheaply, or more efficiently than D-ALPA, when they're unable to even garner enough cards to bring their "cause" to a member vote? (Yes, I know Carl thinks their 4400 submitted cards is equivalent to 4400 votes, but please be realistic.):rolleyes:


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)
For starters, they'll have every single cent of Delta dues money dedicated to Delta pilots.

True. They need to get voted in as our bargaining agent first. I know, people believe they will if "D-ALPA fails to perform", but I doubt it.



Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)
And they WILL NOT be legally required to subsidize/advocate for regional pilot groups who are trying to take our jobs and erode our quality of life.

Last time I checked, unless your hallowed DPA has done another "informal poll",:rolleyes: a majority of "regional" guys/gals have aspirations of becoming mainline pilots. Why on God's green earth would they want to take their future position? Or erode a quality of life they hope to one day have?

Think about it Bacon. I know you're a smart guy. It is MANAGEMENT, let me say it again, IT IS MANAGEMENT, that chooses to run their business the way they do. When this is the case, as it is in any other capitalistic environment, MANAGEMENT chooses to lower costs by OUTSOURCING!! You can offer the argument that D-ALPA, "let it happen", but it is the mainline employee group (i.e. Delta pilots) that will vote for, or against the contract.



Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)
They will hire the best legal and other assistance whose ONLY interests are those of Delta pilots.

BWAHAHAHAHA..........(oh you're killing me)...........HAHAHAHAHAHA.......(hang on a second "Bacon" while I catch my breath................................BWAHAHAHAHAH A....

Because "hiring the best legal team money can buy" has worked well for the US Air East babies and their USAPA struggle. Run up to CLT sometime and ask them for yourself!

Geez man, that's easily the funniest thing anyone has posted in a long while!! You, my good fellow, have missed your calling.




Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)
All of that by itself is enough to sell me. Everything else is gravy.

You've probably never been told you're "cheap", but you sure are "easy"!!:D

Good day,

GJ

Bill Lumberg 03-02-2012 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Seaslap8 (Post 1144760)
DPA is waiting in the wings to do what exactly?...and how are they going to do it?...Are they to follow the APA model or USAPA model to the road to riches?

How about the SWAPA model? They seem to really fight for their pilots and get them the highest pay and bennies they can, without bowing to the Regionals thanks to a "conflict of interest." Just tell me there isn't a conflict of interest between the Regional pilots wants and the Mainline pilots' wants. ALPA seems to try to split down the middle, and I AM NOT PAYING money for that. I want all of MY interests sought for, not what a Regional guy wants. I am not paying for him. But, I will give Dalpa one more chance to show my they can get us a GREAT new contract. If the TA is poor, then it will be voted down, and I bet Dalpa will be gone next. I don't care if it takes awhile to get the DPA established, it's better than waiting 4 more years for the next contract with a bad current one. And we know RA and SD want it done sooner than later because of possible continuing consolidation.

nwaf16dude 03-02-2012 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1144776)
Thanks for your help. I hate wearing dirty underwear, you never know when ya might get lucky......I mean in an accident, yeah yeah that's what my grandmother told me:D

Buy em at Costco and you can just throw them away when they're dirty. New tighty whiteys every day

Bill Lumberg 03-02-2012 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1144785)
Sorry 80kts, I just couldn't resist.

Disclaimer: Take the DPA/D-ALPA arguments to the other thread. I'm so bored with the "flimsy" DPA support, I almost took a full hiatus from L&G about Delta.

Here goes "MB".




How are they going to do anything better, more cheaply, or more efficiently than D-ALPA, when they're unable to even garner enough cards to bring their "cause" to a member vote? (Yes, I know Carl thinks their 4400 submitted cards is equivalent to 4400 votes, but please be realistic.):rolleyes:



True. They need to get voted in as our bargaining agent first. I know, people believe they will if "D-ALPA fails to perform", but I doubt it.




Last time I checked, unless your hallowed DPA has done another "informal poll",:rolleyes: a majority of "regional" guys/gals have aspirations of becoming mainline pilots. Why on God's green earth would they want to take their future position? Or erode a quality of life they hope to one day have?

Think about it Bacon. I know you're a smart guy. It is MANAGEMENT, let me say it again, IT IS MANAGEMENT, that chooses to run their business the way they do. When this is the case, as it is in any other capitalistic environment, MANAGEMENT chooses to lower costs by OUTSOURCING!! You can offer the argument that D-ALPA, "let it happen", but it is the mainline employee group (i.e. Delta pilots) that will vote for, or against the contract.




BWAHAHAHAHA..........(oh you're killing me)...........HAHAHAHAHAHA.......(hang on a second "Bacon" while I catch my breath................................BWAHAHAHAHAH A....

Because "hiring the best legal team money can buy" has worked well for the US Air East babies and their USAPA struggle. Run up to CLT sometime and ask them for yourself!

Geez man, that's easily the funniest thing anyone has posted in a long while!! You, my good fellow, have missed your calling.





You've probably never been told you're "cheap", but you sure are "easy"!!:D

Good day,

GJ

GJ,

If the TA is weak, those 4000 people who did turn in DPA cards (and would easily do it again if needed to re-up their status) will turn into 6500 easily, and then all you need is one more vote than half of the total pilots, and ALPA is GONE. If the TA is weak during this period of HUGE profits, then the vote may come sooner than you think. Go ahead, vote for ALPA, I will cancel your vote if that TA sux.

Elliot 03-02-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1144784)
...or the IPA or SWAPA model on the road to riches?

Independent Pilots Association
SWAPA

Elvis,

Comparing the successes of SWAPA, to the perceived success of what DPA's "empty promises" of what they think they could bring, if they were our bargaining agent is purely speculative, at best. For gods sake, they can't even muster enough support to reach a point where they're brought to a vote by the collective group. How are they going to stand a chance against management? (Are they going to say something like, "I know we don't have quite the support we think we need to go on strike, but by golly, we have people submitting cards."):rolleyes:

Good day,

GJ

bigbusdriver 03-02-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
Well said! For those who aren't aware of the bloated lard at the top of that which we call ALPA please review these numbers:

I head ACL say this wasn't true last year in ATL so I just showed this thread to a C20 rep and he pulled up some ALPA report that he said we can all get to. I don't know how but he said it was on the website. I can't find it so he said


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$6,500/mo housing allowance for the President,

As of last year it's gone, they just rent him something now and he gets taxed on it.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$4,500/mo housing allowance for V.P.s,

Also gone.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$1,600/mo car allowance,

The current President's car is $383 a month. Wasn't clear if that included insurance and gas.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$498,000 annual compensation for the President,

It was reduced(?) to $355,120 and that includes the salary, per diem, value of the apartment and car for IRS taxing purposes and any other imputed income.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$120,000/year secretaries,

Said their newsletter explained this better than he could and was also online?


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$175,000/year magazine editors,

Same for this this.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
massive bonus pensions,

He said the President only gets a pensions for the years he's not at the airline getting his 401K. Wasn't sure of percent but said it worked out to less than what we get percentage-wise.


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$329 per night hotel rooms,

Said it was one meeting. Said other stuff was going on and wouldn't elaborate on whether it could have been done somewhere cheaper?


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144770)
$260 per day per diem, etc.

Said 2011 President's Per Diem worked out to about $65 per day, but would get back to me on that number as he said TC had done some math wrong in his totals when he copied it.


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