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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1149103)

Really? There's no emoticons so I can't tell if you're trying to be funny, but really?:confused:

Just in case it was a serious question, tell me again the differences between LGW and LHR. You might also do a little research on the history of the DAL FRA hub.

A previous poster has it right. Incremental opening of Haneda would allow the two immunized JV's (ANA/UAL and JAL/AMR) which control 96% of the slots to kill Delta's NRT hub.

I was thinking more Japan-US than intra-Asia. I can see the concern with that, but how does this factor into our contract and an "opportunity" to do something?

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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1148712)

In the front lobby is an ancient WWII era Link Trainer in beautifully restored condition. It really is cool.

I actually have 10 hrs of instrument time in one of those, courtesy of the Air Force. :eek:

And typing this makes me realize how old I'm getting. Pardon me while I go find some Geritol.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1149104)

....or what?

Who cares, really...... A TA is the only set of conditions that will matter to you and me and the other 12,000 guys.

LeineLodge already said it well. But just to reiterate. If our opener is crap, then we are screwed. And if the point of giving us this "conceptual opener" is to give us all an idea of what we are asking for... well, if it doesn't give us some idea of the percentage pay increase and degree of scope reversal we are opening for, then it doesn't really do much, and we are all still pretty much in the dark with regard to what we are opening for on arguably the two most important areas of the new contract.

BTW, I'm not saying it won't have this. I'm just saying it needs to.

In all the back and forth about what constitutes an opener, and whether or not Carl should be eating crow, I think we're missing the more interesting (and relevant) story here.

After years in this contract that can be opened up April 5, why would management agree to meet for openers early? What events in the news might cause this? Is anyone watching what's going on at AMR? ACL pointed out that they have a hearing 22 March to request an extension from the court. Under the initial filing, didn't they have until the 29th to be the only entity to be able to submit a plan before the court?

The Chairman's letter states:

"But as we have in the past when opportunities have presented themselves, we again choose not to wait. The Pilot Working Agreement permits contract openers to be exchanged up to 270 days prior to our December 31, 2012 amendable date, which is April 5, 2012. We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis."

Does this make anyone else think the next round of consolidation is about to get rolling?

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1149152)

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 483258)

Post#2062 10-21-2008 Here's my blunt prediction. DAL, NWA and the new DAL will not grow. They will shrink. They will have to. Every single airline is presently TOO BIG. Gary Kelly is the only one that seems to be admitting it thus far.

Carl

Post#92,298 3-10-2012 Ladies and Gentlemen of the L & G about Delta Thread. Another perfect example of how certain people, not to name names, (quoted above:rolleyes:) continue to talk out their lower orifice. (As that's where their head is inserted.)

Well now here's a cool development. The DALPA folks now have a new "volulnteer" in Gearjerk who is studying my posts back from the beginning. I'm sure it's not on full flight pay loss though. The one Mr. Jerk references above is post #2062 of our L&G thread from 10-21-2008. I'm reposting it in its entirety below. Others can judge the accuracy of my prediction that was made due to continuous posts of how this new merger between NWA and DAL was going to create all this growth.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 483258)

Post#2062 10-21-2008 Again folks, I hate to be the wet blanket here, but a lot of folks are just not paying attention to reality. Here is part of a story regarding Southwest Airlines:

"After reporting its first loss in 17 years last week, Southwest announced it is cutting capacity 5% to 6% in early 2009. The ongoing economic crises and volatility in oil prices are creating “an environment where it makes no sense to be growing,” said Southwest CEO Gary Kelly.

In a quarterly filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday, Southwest also reported its fuel hedging contracts have lost $2 billion in value, falling from $2.5 billion on Sept. 30 to $550 million as of Oct. 15."

Note Gary's use of the word "crises"...plural for crisis!

One of the big under-reported stories is the amount of loss being experienced by many airlines' fuel hedge portfolios. Yet another hit in a business that is totally economic dependent.

Here's my blunt prediction. DAL, NWA and the new DAL will not grow. They will shrink. They will have to. Every single airline is presently TOO BIG. Gary Kelly is the only one that seems to be admitting it thus far.

Carl

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1148834)

From the letter:

We believe opportunities exist—right now—to reach a comprehensive agreement on an expedited timeline, but let me make this point perfectly clear. While we will attempt to expedite the process, we will not compromise the product.

Thanks slow, this was the part I locked in on:

We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis.

Seems to me RA is making some moves here. He's not going to sit and watch Asia slip out of his fingers.

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1149134)

I think some of us are getting a little excited prematurely about this opener. Lets see where the road takes us. Don't buy that new car just yet fellas.

Correct, no need to get worked up until there is something to put your hand on, and then it is an opener, not a TA, and more specifically not a TA that has been approved by out reps. This could be a drawn out affair, or it could be quick. Our union will put forth our demands and we will go from there.

Nice day out, too bad I am sick, I think it would be a great day for a BBQ. (at home) .

I think he will be aggressively pursuing ways into South America too.

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Originally Posted by Whidbey (Post 1149182)

If I was betting, MIA could be a new hub