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Agreed. They bring a lot to the table and sooner is better for everyone than later. All they have to do is run a handfull of new hire classes (or one big class) and the whole list if buffed 20%, 30% or more and will keel haul us in a relative integration with new hired jumping 12 year guys on our side. And I really don't see how scope relief plays into this situation anyway.

Sure, but with 500 total pilots, will 50-100 "jumping" really make much of a difference? In any case, it's out of our hands.

DAL 88 Driver

03-10-2012 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1149084)

Better pay rates would be nice, SCOPE IS MUST.

Disagree. They BOTH are a must. This "conceptual opener" better have something more specific than the vague "improvements" (which could be 1%) to pay and scope.

Carl Spackler

03-10-2012 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1148915)

BTW, I thought for sure the quote: "I was unavoidably detained......." would amuse Carl Spackler of all people, surely you haven't forgotten?

You're right...I forgot that line.

Ashamed and embarrassed. :o

Carl

More Bacon

03-10-2012 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1148899)

Lesson learned: If you're using Crossover with Easybid, don't install that new version of Crossover. Save yourself the time and frustration and stick with the old version that works.

thanks--was contemplating installing the new version, and now I won't!

slowplay

03-10-2012 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1148962)

Unless it reduces our slots, how is it a bad thing for DL?

Really? There's no emoticons so I can't tell if you're trying to be funny, but really?:confused:

Just in case it was a serious question, tell me again the differences between LGW and LHR. You might also do a little research on the history of the DAL FRA hub.

A previous poster has it right. Incremental opening of Haneda would allow the two immunized JV's (ANA/UAL and JAL/AMR) which control 96% of the slots to kill Delta's NRT hub.

shiznit

03-10-2012 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1149095)

Disagree. They BOTH are a must. This "conceptual opener" better have something more specific than the vague "improvements" (which could be 1%) to pay and scope.

....or what?

Who cares, really...... A TA is the only set of conditions that will matter to you and me and the other 12,000 guys.

Carl Spackler

03-10-2012 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1148943)

How does the text above, which you've included in quotation mark, even come close to what the actual language stated?

The C20 Chairman didn't say, or I'm not seeing it in the text above, that the membership would "never" see the opener. Where are you reading the word, "never" Carl?

You're implying from the text that you'd never see it, and putting words into the C20 Chairman's Letter, and ultimately "union mouth".

Sorry again, but the opener will be shown, and you misunderstood the letter.

GJ

You're embarrassing yourself.

I'll leave it to others to decide how close my recollection was.

Carl

LeineLodge

03-10-2012 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1149104)

....or what?

Who cares, really...... A TA is the only set of conditions that will matter to you and me and the other 12,000 guys.

True, but the argument has been made that we won't achieve any MORE than we ask for. Why would the company offer MORE pay or BETTER scope than we asked for in the opener?

This is why guys are so rabid about seeing the opener. It sets a high water mark for the best we'll be able to do. And everyone has to expect that we will have to come to the middle, just like management will.

So the answer is, we should ALL care. If we come in and ask for status quo on scope, or a 5% raise, the company will probably say DEAL!

Of course we can vote down a crappy TA, but I think most guys want to be encouraged by our opener and solidify their belief (my opinion) that our NC and MEC won't send down a crappy contract for vote.

Having talked to the reps and the chair of the NC, I am confident they will not send us a piece of crap to vote on. I have left every one of those conversations/phone calls/emails feeling much better than I did before the conversation. They get it.

Time will tell...

Carl Spackler

03-10-2012 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149015)

How did I know you were going to find some way to spin your incessant prior huffing and puffing? I told you numerous times that you were wrong, yet your anger blinds you from appropriately being able to sort things out. So, your dinner awaits:

http://www.nashvillescene.com/imager...1a/EatCrow.jpg

Unreal. You don't even remember what I've written. But I'm glad you're happy with this new "concept". :rolleyes:

Carl

Carl Spackler

03-10-2012 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1149051)

To most of us that is true, but there is a group out there that is hell bent to burn witches, so the openers provide them with a reason to do so.. sad, but true.

And sadly, there are others who graduated with a perfect score in the rocking chair. Those alumni take the smallest bit of news and believe it proves that the company loves you after all!

Yes t...the company loves you. They're only looking out for your best interests. You are family.

Carl

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