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Carl Spackler 03-05-2012 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1146291)
I think so too. It seems odd that they want all the training from this AE done by October. That will place the bulk of training over the summer flying schedule, not something they usually do. Add that with the talk about a "quick contract extension" and a picture starts to become clear.

The company apparently wants this from us for a reason. That's called leverage. If a majority of us signs off on this without a significant reversal in outsourcing, you have to ask yourself one question: "What leverage will you have after the next merger when our "quick contract extension" is amendable?"

Use your leverage when you have it for the big battles. Don't put off your big battles until after you've lost leverage.

Carl

capncrunch 03-05-2012 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1146375)
CAPN,

Not sure that I fully understand your question but maybe this will help: It was explained to me that any credit that is earned during a rotation is paid at the end of a rotation while hard time is paid in the month that is was flown. So if a rotation has three days in month A and finishes on day four in month B - all rotation credit will be applied to month B.

Hope this helps - if not the all knowing thread will help out. :)

Scoop

That is helpful. It my situation it's hard time and it looks like they're trying to take 4 hours of hard time out of last month and put it into this month.

buzzpat 03-05-2012 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1146367)
My schedule for last month is showing exactly 70 hours and the spill from the trip that touched this month is showing 8 hours. The flying that went into this month was not 8 hours of flying. How does that work? Is this some accounting magic they are using to avoid paying for flying over reserve guarantee for last month?

Yeah, unfortunately, if you spill into the next month and that month is on reserve, you only get credit for the time, not pay. Yet ANOTHER thing that needs to be fixed with our next contract. If you are flying a trip for pay, you should be paid, regardless if it "spills" into the next month or not. I've been bitten on this many times.

capncrunch 03-05-2012 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1146390)
Yeah, unfortunately, if you spill into the next month and that month is on reserve, you only get credit for the time, not pay. Yet ANOTHER thing that needs to be fixed with our next contract. If you are flying a trip for pay, you should be paid, regardless if it "spills" into the next month or not. I've been bitten on this many times.

I was on reserve for last month and this month, does the above still apply? It's hard flying time that they are trying to pull 4 hours from last month as far as I can tell. It looks like something is rotten in Denmark when I was given exactly 70.0 hours credit for last month.

chuck416 03-05-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1145985)
Dunno if anyone noticed this, but you recently (this week) lost another newhire FO to Southwest.

I hope we start loosing them in DROVES!!! The pilots who leave will realize an immediate raise in pay, and our management will be forced to make some hard (for them) decisions...

RockyBoy 03-05-2012 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1146375)
CAPN,

Not sure that I fully understand your question but maybe this will help: It was explained to me that any credit that is earned during a rotation is paid at the end of a rotation while hard time is paid in the month that is was flown. So if a rotation has three days in month A and finishes on day four in month B - all rotation credit will be applied to month B.

Hope this helps - if not the all knowing thread will help out. :)

Scoop

^^^^

This is correct. However, if you have credit time from days in the earlier month they will move that credit for you to that month. It is not done automatically and you have to have a scheduling supervisor do it after you complete the rotation. It usually isn't a big deal if you a lineholder both months because you will get it all eventually. However, if you are going from a line to reserve you will most likely lose that credit. I've had them move the credit into the prior month on many occassions. They will use a 23K code on the rotation and fix you up, but you have to call them.

RockyBoy 03-05-2012 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1146393)
I was on reserve for last month and this month, does the above still apply? It's hard flying time that they are trying to pull 4 hours from last month as far as I can tell. It looks like something is rotten in Denmark when I was given exactly 70.0 hours credit for last month.

Never had that happen with hard time, only credit issues. I'd call and see what's up. If they don't help, the ALPA scheduling guys do a great job sorting out what is happening and will help you out if it's not right. However, I ususally find out that 95% of the time the company is right.

PilotFrog 03-05-2012 06:39 PM

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I shouldn't have done that.

FmrFreightDog 03-05-2012 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1146238)
It's to ensure that you understand that Gaston is in control and not you.

In good scope news- there is more upgauging to mainline going on. I just found FAY overnights in the 320 April bid pack. I didn't even know where that was! (Fayetteville, NC)

Add this to all the TUL, OKC, OMA, ROC and others being upgauged and that is a good trend vector.

Wow! The 320 is actually taller than the terminal in FAY. Be interesting to see how far they can flex the jet bridge up...

FmrFreightDog 03-05-2012 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1146253)
Good to see the upguaging. I grew up in FAY. I wouldn't necessarily recommend bidding it however. It's a big, crappy army town. I don't envy the ALPA hotel guy trying to find a decent place to stay there.

Pick the cleanest hotel near a passing Subway and a licensed tattoo parlor and you're probably doing ok for the area.


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