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Columbia 03-10-2012 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149253)
Technically no. It's supposed to be business casual.

Are whitewashed jeans considered BC?

The jeans thing is silly as my $200 7s look better than $40 Dockers.

Carl Spackler 03-10-2012 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149260)
ahem.... A brief search of Carl's post history turns up numerous instances of this. Every one of them emphatically stating as "fact" that the opener would not be released. Man, that was easy...

We'll all have to wait and see what is released. If we see a summary of details that we are demanding as our opening position, then that will be good and our Council 20 chairman will have been wrong for saying the opener will not be made available to line pilots. If however this "concept" opener is released with no details other than to say we're seeking improvements in this or that section, then he will have been right because that isn't the opener. You don't negotiate from concepts.

Carl

80ktsClamp 03-10-2012 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1149277)
Are whitewashed jeans considered BC?

The jeans thing is silly as my $200 7s look better than $40 Dockers.

You mean acid washed? I showed up for the jumpseat last week dressed like this:

http://produceconsumerobot.com/costu...rocker_4in.jpg

I believe biz casual includes 80's rocker awesome.

80ktsClamp 03-10-2012 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1149280)
We'll all have to wait and see what is released. If we see a summary of details that we are demanding as our opening position, then that will be good and our Council 20 chairman will have been wrong for saying the opener will not be made available to line pilots. If however this "concept" opener is released with no details other than to say we're seeking improvements in this or that section, then he will have been right because that isn't the opener. You don't negotiate from concepts.

Carl

We'll see, Carl :)

acl65pilot 03-10-2012 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1149214)
Interesting. Just for pure curiosity's sake, I'd like to know. From what TO wrote below, it made me think it was us that was asking:



Carl

Of course we had asked log ago Carl and the company apparently has not responded until now.

cfitstew 03-10-2012 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1149263)
No, our FOM states that "Business casual attire or uniform" for flight deck jumpseaters, so technically the FOM was being violated. Now one might argue that if they were in the back, that's not the flight deck and they could wear whatever. But I think it's pretty clear that trying to jumpseat in jeans is frowned upon.

However, I almost got trapped in a situation where I was thinking of jumpseating in jeans. I left for the airport with my wife and daughter to non-rev back home. 2 hours before the flight, there were 18 out of 70 seats open. Pretty good huh? Nope - after the revenue was boarded, 1 seat open. Overflow from another flight. Had there been another seat, I would of nicely asked the Captain if I could jumpseat, even as I was in jeans. It would be that or make a risky connection with a 2 year old. I know the rules but sometimes things happen. We ended up having to take another flight, not enough seats.

ps. I had dockers in my bag, but I checked it. Agent said, "oh yeah, you'll get on no problem..."

Thanks for the info. For the record I don't work for Delta, I work for "Discount Delta" but our FOM has says the same thing.

I felt it was a little in poor taste to jumpseat off-line in blue jeans but thought maybe it was allowed at Delta and these guys figured since we have Delta Paint on our (well, technically your) jets it was all the same.

acl65pilot 03-10-2012 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1149212)
I hope all Delta pilots concern themselves with "strengthening our network" only to the extent that it strengthens (GROWS) our seniority list.

Carl

We agree 100% to that!

cfitstew 03-10-2012 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149283)
You mean acid washed? I showed up for the jumpseat last week dressed like this:

http://produceconsumerobot.com/costu...rocker_4in.jpg

I believe biz casual includes 80's rocker awesome.

Now those I wouldn't have a problem with, especially since I owned a pair just like 'em when I was in high school.

georgetg 03-10-2012 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1149261)
Minus the Japanese O&D passengers. It would be a much smaller network because it would have significantly less traffic in total, and way less business traffic.

I agree, there would be some loss of Japanese O&D, but I don't see another way out.

New routes like HNL FUK might be a glimpse of how that may pan out.
There might be more to gain with Asia Pacific, some of the largest growth market would be in easy reach and might make up for the loss of the Japanese market.

Think HNL ICN, HNL KIX, HNL SYD, HNL PEK, HNL HKG, HNL SIN...


Cheers
George

Scoop 03-10-2012 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1149277)
Are whitewashed jeans considered BC?

The jeans thing is silly as my $200 7s look better than $40 Dockers.



Columbia,

You are correct that some jeans may look good - but you have to draw the line somewhere. If traveling you should always make sure that you are either dressed for the JS or have access to JS attire in your carry-on.

Yes, some Pilots may bend the rules and let you ride, but you are basically asking them to break an FOM rule due to poor planning on your part (not you specifically Columbia, but the notional improvident DAL Pilot) and sure enough the one time when its really important the answer will be "No."

Scoop

PS You really have $200 Jeans? I am impressed. :)


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