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Sink r8 04-25-2012 07:29 AM

Scoop,

So you take a group that agreed to pass something to the membership, and expose the differences of opinions within? I don't think that's smart.

Sink r8 04-25-2012 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1175487)
The only way I could think would be to put out:

- Here is what we agreed to

- Here is what you said on your survey that we were unable to achieve (for whatever reason)

Makes sense to me. That's a paper they could write without having some sort of existential melt-down.

Sink r8 04-25-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1175486)
To tag on. This is where UPS pilots get it right IMO. They video the company and the union reps going through the contract with:

Union: "This is what this paragraph means. Do you agree that this is what it means?

Company: "Yes" or "no, this is how we interpret it..."

All on video so there can be no after the fact disagreements.

That's very cool.

I think the potential timeline of this contract could make it tough, but I'm a big fan of simplified language. I'd like to see us get to a strong contract, with about 40% less language.

We could have a contract that doesn't require an interpreter, a thesaurus, and a magnifying lens. Makes it easier when Scheduling calls, and you can say: it says I will NOT, right here on page 4.

acl65pilot 04-25-2012 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1175443)
I'm not wowed by Gary Chase just yet.

Gary is now here to "wow" you with his words. He is here to "wow" prospective banks investors to give DAL unabridged access to capital.

tsquare 04-25-2012 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 1175124)
Not to sound too cynical, but I wonder, have DAL pilots ever voted down a TA?

And your point would be????

Sink r8 04-25-2012 08:04 AM

Did you listen to the conference, ACL?


Gary is now here to "wow" you with his words. He is here to "wow" prospective banks investors to give DAL unabridged access to capital.
Gary was also marketed as someone who could answer questions. I'm not going to judge him on the basis of 1/2 an answer to a couple of questions, I was just saying I wasn't blown away.

BTW, I'm also an investor. I'm pretty sure Gary owes me a good impression. If Gary isn't here to "wow" me, he better be great at speaking with bankers on my behalf. In the meantime, it would be good form for a former analyst to handle analyst questions smoothly.

Remind me of job description, again? Something Investor Relations something?

tsquare 04-25-2012 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1175143)
Glad we have some NWA guys to vote with us this time around.

So you are assuming that they will blindly vote no.. and that is somehow a good thing? Really? Wow, they must be dumber than I thought.

tsquare 04-25-2012 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1175144)
Guys, we have to fix our PCS system. I tried to swap trips in May for the very same day and was denied for "Capped for reserves." I wanted to fly a longer trip which should, in theory, benefit scheduling and guys on reserve. Doesn't make any sense.

As I have been saying for months and months and months... the reserve system is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to see.....

acl65pilot 04-25-2012 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1175521)
Did you listen to the conference, ACL?



Gary was also marketed as someone who could answer questions. I'm not going to judge him on the basis of 1/2 an answer to a couple of questions, I was just saying I wasn't blown away.

BTW, I'm also an investor. I'm pretty sure Gary owes me a good impression. If Gary isn't here to "wow" me, he better be great at speaking with bankers on my behalf. In the meantime, it would be good form for a former analyst to handle analyst questions smoothly.

Remind me of job description, again? Something Investor Relations something?

Nope, I admit I did not. Can't do that sitting in a courthouse. :D

Again though, he is here to get DAL the access to capital markets that DAL wants.

I too am an investor, and his actions will be a better barometer than his words. My guess is we will see what he is able to do later this year.

scambo1 04-25-2012 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1175525)
Nope, I admit I did not. Can't do that sitting in a courthouse. :D

Again though, he is here to get DAL the access to capital markets that DAL wants.

I too am an investor, and his actions will be a better barometer than his words. My guess is we will see what he is able to do later this year.


I thought you sold.


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