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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1123439)
That's just gross off of the W-2's. I don't think my retirement is much better than his. I'm getting 11 percent right now. He's getting a 9 percent match. Mine's better, but not by much. His pay is better by a lot.
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
(Post 1123478)
It's called sandbagging.
No way the company would offer something that low if they expect to have the contract done this year--as RA has publicly stated. So DALPA (through sailingfun, et al) continuously lowers our expectations and asserts that the company will open with 2-4%--and gets us to believe it--so when the company actually opens with more than that, it's basically free "negotiating" for DALPA. And it conditions us to think, "well, I did want 40%, but if DALPA says the company's only going to offer 2%, maybe I should feel lucky to get 10%." Lowering expectations. DALPA isn't going to manage or lower your expectations that much... that's just a ridiculous analogy. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1123490)
That's reading into it wayyyy too much. If the company opens up with 4%, so be it.. they want a long negotiations process. Nothing to get in a tizzy over. If they open with something more reasonable then I will be pleasantly surprised.
DALPA isn't going to manage or lower your expectations that much... that's just a ridiculous analogy. |
Originally Posted by More Bacon
(Post 1123478)
No way the company would offer something that low if they expect to have the contract done this year as RA has publicly stated.
So DALPA (through sailingfun, et al) continuously lowers our expectations and asserts that the company will open with 2-4%--and gets us to believe it--wo when the company actually opens with more than that, it's basically free "bargaining" for DALPA without having to do any work. If you vary your demands according to the other side's opening position, then there is something terribly flawed in your approach to negotiations. If you don't vary your position based on the other side's opener, then you have to acknowledge that however sailing speculates about the company's opener, it cannot equate to managing expectations. |
Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 1123487)
RA isn't mentally challenged I guess he'll have to decide when that cost becomes greater than the cost of the contract we'll demand. I agree with you, it will take a while. It will get ugly. |
...or I could have just waited for 80kts to come up with a shorter, simpler response. What he said.
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
(Post 1123496)
It will get ugly.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1123495)
You think we'll be relieved when the company asks for something better than 2-4%? Is that going to cause us to shift our demands?
The company's opener hopefully will not shift our demands. But DALPA's constant expecation-managment ("shaping the battlefield," if you will), in my opinion, is designed to do just that, and take the pressure off of them to deliver what we've demanded on the survey and to our reps. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1123340)
What are the following acronyms?
DFR FRP Thank you in advance RFP - Request For Proposal VR, TC |
Originally Posted by More Bacon
(Post 1123504)
I don't think we'll be relieved...but DALPA might.
The company's opener hopefully will not shift our demands. But DALPA's constant expecation-managment ("shaping the battlefield," if you will), in my opinion, is designed to do just that, and take the pressure off of them to deliver what we demanded, as expressed on the survey and to our reps. It's exactly why DALPA will never share the openers with us, even after they are presented. Didn't you read them also? |
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