Well, you have given folks good reason for those comments. Sometimes the truth can be insulting. If the shoe fits...

Now, maybe it's a misunderstanding. Maybe not. But your posts almost always follow the line of thinking I would expect from management in their counter argument to an argument for restoration. What are we supposed to think?


Oh. So you do think a greater than 50% pay increase for our narrowbody domestic pilots is reasonable! Wow! That is so confusing because so many of your posts suggest otherwise. :confused:

Now that's the sailingfun we've all come to know and love!


Now that's some good stuff that I can agree with. Thank you for going to bat for the pilots and not being afraid to speak out. I feel your pain. I've been blackballed from being an LCA because of my forum posts. And I too have written letters to chief pilots, VP of Flight Ops, and even our CEO. And even though I was extremely tactful and professional in my letters, I'm guessing they liked yours better. ;)

Well, I didn't bring up DPA. I thought we were talking about DALPA managing expectations.

But since you brought it up... that's an interesting comment about the 4th floor. As far as I know, our CEO, CFO, company negotiators, etc. do not work on the 4th floor. Are you saying that our flight ops management is happy about DPA's efforts? And if so, then why have they tried to throw every roadblock they could possibly throw in front of DPA?? Weird! :confused:

My communication with my rep confirmed this, but leaned toward it most likely would be disclosed. Yeah, I know, basically non-commital.

Deleted due to confidential info quoted.

IMHO flight standards is attempting to regulate discipline. The FO putting the flaps down on the salute worked just fine. I still do it because some CA's don't have it in their cross check. That could explain some of it...but not catching the flap position on the taxi & before takeoff check?

In that same vein, I just flew with an LCA and we were experimenting (at the company's request) with combining the performance and taxi checks. It's even more convoluted and doesn't make sense. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail because, in my mind, it's stupid.

Ya know ... when you got two minutes to start an engine, enter the AWABS, do a runway change, talk to the flight attendants and run 4 checklists while maintaining situational awareness and talking on the radio ... . stuff does happen. It is "pretty dang poor" to plan the operation that way, then express surprise that someone screws it up.

I'm (not by choice) becoming one of those old, cantankerous, got too much time in this seat kind of FO's (although I try to be polite about it) who says, "Hey Boss, I got to get caught up." Beats an error.

IMHO the checklist change made things WORSE, not better. Now I sit and wait for a command from the Captain which may, or may not, come. He might be busy. Meanwhile, I get busy. Then it gets forgotten until it is really embarrassing for everyone. The "do what you need to do when it needs doing" philosophy is safer, IMHO.

Think I'll just star putting flaps out, then apologizing for it. Cpt. JG will make me cycle the flaps just to prove he's in charge. Honey Badger ... .

I make it back out there every now and then, usually through GDL. Hadn't seen the new pilot lounge, just the remodeling at the Bradley Terminal. Big changes in the 73 catagory since it was first stood up at LAX. I went a quite a while with only doing PVR turns and an ocassional CUN. I feel your pain on all the redeyes that you're doing. Whatever is in the works right now, I hope it makes your life a bit better on the West Coast.

Glad to hear everything worked out with your family emergency lately. At the end of the day, it's about the people we work with that makes us proud to work at Delta.

V/R, TC

I agree... Balloons will be floated.

I don't mean to make the discussion about ACL. I'd rather stick to the issues. His response to me was condescending and more than just "bringing it to my attention."

And as long as we're discussing ACL, I would agree with your description of "well informed" and "engaged." "Straight with people"... not so much. I prefer MEC leadership that has principles they are unwilling to compromise on and that does not change their principles with whichever the way the wind is blowing. Sorry.

That's excellent - become one of those guys and don't let anyone or anything rush you - I assure you you will get the support if needed. There's an argument you've already won.
I realize things get frantic and time seems to compress, but really, unless I'm evacuating Saigon in a MD88, I don't get in a hurry for anything. :)

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