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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1092786)

AA just filed for bankruptcy. When they come out they're gonna have a brand new fleet and low costs. What a sham.

If this works for AA then it's still the AA of old, always beating the competition.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1092778)

Reporting live in Atlanta... no wintry mix yet so death toll is still a 0 but we're sure it'll climb here shortly! Stay tuned and remain paniced and on short call!

FTB
as a local tv news reporter

That's some funny sh*t! Thanks for the update FTB.

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Originally Posted by Launchpad475 (Post 1092760)

So what was heard at the LCP meeting? I'll bite.

I was going to post something said at the bar just to illustrate the ridiculous nature of unsubstantiated rumors like Orvil is spouting, but since it would have come from a source that was at the LCP meeting (me) it would probably make the rounds as "An LCP said...." so I am not going down that road. Sorry to get your hopes up. I'm really try not to spread rumors unless I have a good source. He cites none, and it doesn't pass the smell test to begin with.

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1092790)

Wow - I was pretty sure it was coming, but not this soon.

Yep. I figured right before the end of the year. Their bookings may be crud and figured it would preserve cash and no effect them too much.

AA has almost 30 billion in debt and are paying some of the highest financing rates amongst the majors. And the reason they filed is because of they were unable to get labor to take pay cuts???

It is snowing in MEM though. But they're north of Atlanta so they probably know how to handle it.

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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat (Post 1092530)

Even if they can't --and I think they can, since they won't be worried about grooming the next chief pilots and otherwise rolling over like ALPA is--at least we won't be sending money outside of our pilot group to support the bloated gluttons in Herndon who are required to support those who would undercut us. At the VERY least, dues will decrease and monies available to our pilot group will skyrocket.

Do folks on here know about the outgoing ATL chief pilot's ALPA background? Totally unsat. I want my union folks to be persona non-Grata in the Mecca hierarchy.

Really???? You would rather have an anti-pilot, hostile, micro-managing "manager" instead????

Do people on here ever use logic and reason instead of ego and emotion? At the end of the day when T.O walks into S.D's office what is the best outcome for the DAL pilot? A hostile, fist pounding attitude where neither side gets anything accomplished or one of mutual respect and professionalism where things can actually get accomplished?

In our merger how many contractual violations did DAL incur? How many grievances do we currently have before a system board?

Do we have a LONG, LONG way to go in terms of restoring this profession? Absolutely. On the other hand, tell me what single pilot group has made the gains we have since 9/11? SWA is the the poster child BY DEFAULT. Have they ever negotiated an industry leading contract or gained contractual improvements OUTSIDE of section 6 negotiations?

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092706)

I didn't say you said it. I said your question presupposes it. Here's your post again for review:

Semantics

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092706)

Did you read the part that says: "If ALPA cannot deliver..." That certainly sounds like your thesis is that ALPA is the only way, and if ALPA can't succeed, who can. If that's not what you meant, great. But your statement belies that.

No, it's what you read into things that don't toe YOUR propaganda line.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092706)

This kind of false premise is what allows our MEC to behave in their top-down manner. They DO NOT live under this contract. That is the whole point.

And it is ridiculous. Heiko will be here for a long time. I am not sure about the other guys, but good grief Carl.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092706)

Part of the problem here is that you're describing the statements of fact as "vitriol". If you allow fact finding to be described that way, corruption wins.

Carl

Fact finding? Corruption? Really Carl?

Talk about spring loaded.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1092854)

Do people on here ever use logic and reason instead of ego and emotion? At the end of the day when T.O walks into S.D's office what is the best outcome for the DAL pilot? A hostile, fist pounding attitude where neither side gets anything accomplished or one of mutual respect and professionalism where things can actually get accomplished?

I think what it comes down to is that there are many that want to give management a bloody nose like they gave us, and they see the mutually beneficial road as an impediment to that. I understand that, I really do, but the thing that they fail to realize is that the cards are stacked against us, and they refuse to acknowledge that "fact". We can go in with an obstinate attitude, and we are gonna get our asses handed to us. THAT is a fact, because the one and only weapon will never be allowed to be used, and anyone that thinks otherwise is naive. That is the last thing I will say on this thread about this.. promise

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Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1092639)

Are you kidding? The NC/MEC/LEC, etc will be working ALPA trip drops and keeping their cushy jobs while you and I fly the line day in and day out. How long do you think it's been since any of the MEC administration flew more than a few days a month?

I've never figured out this sentiment. I would much rather have them working full time on our behalf. Rather than flying a full schedule so I can feel emotionally better. As far as the LEC I usually do see them out flying.