Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1072244)

I'm going be Devil's advocate for a bit....

While I agree with the last few pages of posts, I still think that maybe Dalpa is doing what we asked them to do. As far as council 44 goes, our communication has increased dramatically. Like it or not, they are communicating. We asked for it.

In regards to the lack of info right now....we asked for it. We wanted our union to listen to us. The responded by giving us a contract survey. We can fight about how poor the survey is but at least we have one. The union has kept fairly quiet while we do our survey. Again, we asked them to listen to us. Lets fill out our survey's and provide the input to our union. They are doing exactly what we asked of them.

Don't over think this. If you just look at what we asked them to do on these two issues they are complying with our requests.

Now on to the MCO comment.....

With all the crap that T.O. has gotten from us maybe he thought he was amongst a sympathetic crowd of fellow pilots. We've all been beaten down for 10 years...(except us newbies). He is in a position where 12000+ pilots are venting and he has to listen. Its hard enough to listen to my darn wife let alone 12000 venting pilots!!!!!

Don't call me an apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to see this junk from every angle. I'd still like to figure out how to sneak into the 4th floor of the training building. I know those new-hires girls need extra special training!!!

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072306)

We frequently see guys on this board decrying career ALPA politicians. Now we have an MEC chairman who would rather be on the line, but sees work that needs to be done by "someone", and actually steps up to the plate to do it.

After reading this board and the ALPA boards, who would actually be eager to take the job? After most of our past contracts have been signed, we've tended to vilify the MEC chairman at the time. I'm sure this one will be no different. Who would choose that over just flying to Europe once a week?

Wouldn't it just be easier to sit at the computer and complain about the MEC's direction or the pace of negotiations?

My hat's off to Tim for taking on the responsibility.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1072183)

OK, I'll post this again:

Air France-KLM jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

I just clicked on it and it went right to the chart. Next to the 9,700/ month euro figure, it says it was last updated in August of 2011.

Is anyone else able to successfully click this link and get the info?

Carl

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1072275)

It is interesting in that the top captain is 9700 euros and the base captain is 7600 euros however, the base FO is only 2750 euros. Using your calculations, the base FO us rate would be just under $90,000/year.

Are you suggesting that the FO's take more pay cuts in order to increase the captain pay?

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1072275)

It is interesting in that the top captain is 9700 euros and the base captain is 7600 euros however, the base FO is only 2750 euros. Using your calculations, the base FO us rate would be just under $90,000/year.

Are you suggesting that the FO's take more pay cuts in order to increase the captain pay?

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1072310)

It's a thankless job, no doubt, and frankly I've always wondered why anyone would want to do it, but once you have accepted the job, why would you walk into a contract road show and say, "I really don't want to be here..."

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072324)

Or why not be honest with the people you're representing?

To me, he seems to be acting in an honest and forthright manner, and is doing exactly what we've been asking for. We want someone who will listen to us, and base the MEC's direction on that input. We're six months away from exchanging openers, and guys are ready to crucify him already.