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Old 06-16-2009, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip View Post
If The Company and Force Majeure our contracts, can't they do the same for the DCI contracts?
I was thinking the same thing last night!
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog View Post
I was thinking the same thing last night!
A pilot contract yes, but I am not sure they can do it to a business contract that has cancellation stipulations in it.
If they could I am sure they would have tried.
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
A pilot contract yes, but I am not sure they can do it to a business contract that has cancellation stipulations in it.
If they could I am sure they would have tried.
Now ACL, you remember the famous quote, "A contracts a contract". $400 bingo bucks if you can name the owner of this quote!

There should be a stipulation that says, "unless it's a pilot contract or ALPA is willing to fold".
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
Now ACL, you remember the famous quote, "A contracts a contract". $400 bingo bucks if you can name the owner of this quote!

There should be a stipulation that says, "unless it's a pilot contract or ALPA is willing to fold".
I know who said that, trust me. It is only a contract when we want something. It is just a bunch of words that can be changed with a well placed threat if it is by management.

I hope we do not have to test it, but no one has gone in and destroyed a contract in CH11 since the rules changed a few months after DAL and NWA entered. I hope that we were the last group that had to get killed in 1113C
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:52 AM
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Anyone have the time to look up the no furlough language in our contract?
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:10 AM
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Anyone have the time to look up the no furlough language in our contract?
Yes, I used it to start a fire!
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:35 AM
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Same Author and a different take than yesterday. This one is a little better, but basically states that next year will be a very flat year.

The International Monetary Fund is joining the chorus of organizations and experts who believe that the U.S. is rising from the recession faster than expected.

The agency predicts American Gross Domestic Product will drop by 2.5 percent this year, as opposed to the 2.8 percent it forecast earlier in the year. The IMF expects the U.S. economy to expand by 0.75 percent next year. Only two months ago it said growth would be non-existent.
According to The Wall Street Journal, "John Lipsky, the IMF's deputy managing director, interpreted the recent increase in Treasury bond yields as a positive sign."

The U.S. is still faced with a double-edged sword if the IMF is correct. An improving growth rate could help drive up demand for oil and oil-based products, influencing crude-based product prices.

Oil has already hit $72, to some extent based on the fact that China and other BRIC nations are growing faster than expected, increasing the need for crude. A new U.S. appetite for oil and other commodities could cut into consumer spending and business margins at companies that use gas or petrochemicals.

A rapid economic recovery still poses the risk of inflation. Factories have cut back production. A sharp increase in demand, even if tepid by the standards of three years ago, could catch manufacturers by surprise. Scarce goods means high prices.

Interest rates could be affected, too. The Fed has kept rates low to try to lift the economy. Early signs of inflation could cause it to raise rates. That may temper inflationary forces, but it could also make it harder for consumers to use credit cards and borrow money for houses and cars. An increase in mortgage rates has already begun to hurt housing demand.

An economic recovery is not necessarily as attractive as it seems.


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Old 06-16-2009, 09:45 AM
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flat is better than a downward trend. flat to a small uptick would be good news because it would keep DAL on its toes.
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 View Post
flat is better than a downward trend. flat to a small uptick would be good news because it would keep DAL on its toes.
That was the point of me posting it. I am looking for something that says unemployment will not stay near 9%. Can't find that though.
Lots of articles written on the huge decline in the business traveler.
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Yes, I used it to start a fire!
Which is more productive than many have used it for. I wouldn't give up too soon. You probably weren't here but we did win a furlough grievance the last time. Small consolation to those affected but I'm tired of us negotiating these things then just giving up.

These guys would have had a much harder time doing this merger without us. It resulted in millions of dollars in bonuses for the main players. I don't care what it takes but we need to hold their feet to the fire on this. Start bringing all Delta flying back on Delta property for starters.

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