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ilinipilot 02-06-2012 10:44 AM

I would be OK with giving guys retiring some medical coverage but it has to have A LOT of benefits for the junior guys. The senior group that wants early outs is directly responsible for the NEGATIVE turn our profession has taken, RJs, then bigger RJs, age 65, and at the union level continually selling out junior folks to benefit themselves at the top.
I am sick and tired of caving into them even if it means we move up a few spots.
Speaking of moving up a few spots since when do you think any kind of mass retirement will spur an equal amount of hiring, IT WONT. look at the numbers so far all an early retirement will do will let delta reduce headcount and capacity inline with retiring pilots. it will let the greedy guys pick up more with green and white slips and we will see a decling pilot workforce. PLus delta is not stupid they will hire at the last possible minute before the busy summer season and not a moment too soon. know what that means, capped reserve days understaffing, no trip trades, reroutes etc.
I say you want an early retirement fine then we need a LARGE pay raise first and then a minimum pilot floor has to be established so we dont get screwed again in the process

gloopy 02-06-2012 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1129894)
5) The pilots are doing a great job helping the company earn money.

Please remember number 5 when you see the TA.

Yeah we help so much they still are robotically trained to walk towards outsourcing like zombies. 60% of our flights being outsourced and we have to stay super cheap on a bankruptcy emergency contract with only cost of living adjustments and work rule tweaks and maybe some more scope relief? H. E. Cool J. NO!

gloopy 02-06-2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1130015)
That's not what happened. He was told NOT to score. They didn't want to score a touchdown with time on the clock so as to not give the ball back to Brady.

They wanted to run the clock down to a few seconds and kick the easy FG for the win and be done with it. The guy tried to stop short, but his momentum carried him in.

That's what we're told happened, and that's probably what he was told to do. But I think its pretty obvious that he could have stopped in time but his inner voice told him to score anyway. Being able to say "I scored a TD in the superbowl" versus intentionally downing it at the 1 YD line and giving all the glory to some D bag soccer player in undersized padding (and sometimes with a bare foot) that's protected by 45 yard penalties for lightly touching as he gently leaps through the air like Baryshnikov clearly over came him and he said "aw screw it, I'm doing this".

gloopy 02-06-2012 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1130043)
I called them to ask why my Delta Gold insurance hadn't covered it. They said, No ER coverage...

Um. What?


We have no ER coverage? That can't be right. Can it? Srsly?

Mudhendrvr 02-06-2012 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1130124)
Re. the Tri Care post:

I did volunteer to serve, and served for 8 years, but to get Tri Care coverage, you have to be on active duty, (or Reserves) or retired AD, ie. put in 20 years.

But ultimately, who is it that's paying for your Tri Care?

The Civilians...you know, those other Tax Payers that don't have access to Tri Care.

Tricare reserve costs almost $200 for a family. It is not free. It is available to reservists who are still serving and have carried a huge part of the load during the longest duration of continuous conflict during any other time in American history. No flame, just a fact.

gloopy 02-06-2012 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1130095)
I think it is time for ALPA to step up on a national level, engage other pilot unions and find a coop for a health care plan that would do just that, bridge these guys. I would pay $25/mo to move the lead at the top, that $25 would be realized 10 fold in upward movement. But it takes vision on ALPA's part (I put it in my survey and talked at length about it during two phone surveys).
I have a strong feeling many would agree with this type of assessment, I just think it should be reasonable and effective. Just sayin...

Only if it had a stipulation that gave all over 60 today, and in the future as soon as they turn 60, a very limited time to punch out. Otherwise we would be subsidizing a ton of guys retiring exactly when they were planning on retiring anyway. And most guys across the industry don't have a frozen A fund capped at age 60 so once that group punched out we would have stagnation again plus be on the hook for everyone retiring prior to 65 for personal reasons at the exact date they were going to do so anyway.

tsquare 02-06-2012 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1130211)
I would be OK with giving guys retiring some medical coverage but it has to have A LOT of benefits for the junior guys. The senior group that wants early outs is directly responsible for the NEGATIVE turn our profession has taken, RJs, then bigger RJs, age 65, and at the union level continually selling out junior folks to benefit themselves at the top.
I am sick and tired of caving into them even if it means we move up a few spots.
Speaking of moving up a few spots since when do you think any kind of mass retirement will spur an equal amount of hiring, IT WONT. look at the numbers so far all an early retirement will do will let delta reduce headcount and capacity inline with retiring pilots. it will let the greedy guys pick up more with green and white slips and we will see a decling pilot workforce. PLus delta is not stupid they will hire at the last possible minute before the busy summer season and not a moment too soon. know what that means, capped reserve days understaffing, no trip trades, reroutes etc.
I say you want an early retirement fine then we need a LARGE pay raise first and then a minimum pilot floor has to be established so we dont get screwed again in the process

First.. you are spot on about the use of the term.. "few". The numbers that would leave would be insignificant.. I have seen this movie before.. and if we were to get the second bold statement, that would invalidate the first one. Big pay increase would mean that many wouldn't leave. Catch 22. I think spending any negotiating capital on early retirements is a waste of time and resources.

gloopy 02-06-2012 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by tallplt (Post 1130118)
Hockey,

A few months ago, I had a 103 fever, nausea, joint aches, night sweats, etc. upon returning from a 72 hour ACC layover. I called UHC and was told by their nurse to run, not walk to the ER, as everything sounded ominously like malaria. I specifically asked if I needed to do anything to make sure the visit was covered. She said I was all set.

The good news is, I was diagnosed with only strep throat (no idea it could be so
bad--the above symptoms lasted almost a week). The bad news is that I got a bill for $3700. UHC turned it down, saying "strep throat is not an ER-worthy event." Hey a$$hats, how would I have known it was strep without going to the ER (like your representative told me to!).

Further good news: you can appeal the denial. Instructions are on the website. I sent them a letter explaining the situation, and they covered the charge. While it shouldn't have come to that, at least I wasn't out the $3,700. The appeals process took me about a month (getting daily calls and letters from the hospital's billing department (later collection agency)).

Good luck.

Wow. Unreal. Did those vampires snipe your credit in the meantime?

tsquare 02-06-2012 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1130229)
Only if it had a stipulation that gave all over 60 today, and in the future as soon as they turn 60, a very limited time to punch out. Otherwise we would be subsidizing a ton of guys retiring exactly when they were planning on retiring anyway. And most guys across the industry don't have a frozen A fund capped at age 60 so once that group punched out we would have stagnation again plus be on the hook for everyone retiring prior to 65 for personal reasons at the exact date they were going to do so anyway.


Egggggggsactly!

forgot to bid 02-06-2012 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1129905)
Our 100 seater!

1984 Boeing 737-232, Kansas CIty KS - 98358132 - Aerotrader.com

Imagine "Spirit of Delta II"- About what our employees could afford today.

That's an entertaining thought, the employees buy an airplane the company wants to outsource. I say we buy a E-190 or C-Series when that gets to flying. That looks btw like a great cockpit and cabin in that thing.


Originally Posted by One Taco (Post 1129988)
Did no one else find the winning touchdown last night completely un-sportsmanish?

I like what they said on ESPN- who'd thought scoring the game winning touchdown with less than a minute to go was a mistake. :D

Of course the coach was right, there is no guarantee that they'd make the FG either. But going back to Auburn's NC win they kicked a FG as time expired. It was better for them not to have scored because it gave Oregon time to respond.


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1130184)
I hate to say I agree with a Super Model (see Zoolander) but she's right!

Also, Tom Brady dosen't play Defense...there are 11, no wait, 12 men on the field who do that...

FLAG! Too many men on the feild!

But isn't that the Coaches fault?

And Scambo, check your PM's. Incomming.

There were balls dropped for the Pats, but, that was a bad throw. If we can now throw out the idea that running the ball and defense wins championships then we need to acknowledge that just because it hit your hands doesn't mean it was catchable. That's lazy commentary by former players.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1130195)
I guess she forgot that Brady had a QB rating under 60 in the AFC Championship and threw two interceptions. They wouldn't have even been in the Super Bowl if it weren't for those guys who dropped the ball.

Brazilian or not, she gets a fail on that one.

That's true New. She was heckled and didn't respond well.


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1130217)
Yeah we help so much they still are robotically trained to walk towards outsourcing like zombies. 60% of our flights being outsourced and we have to stay super cheap on a bankruptcy emergency contract with only cost of living adjustments and work rule tweaks and maybe some more scope relief? H. E. Cool J. NO!

Gloopy for President.


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