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PilotFrog 05-17-2010 03:41 PM

I have a paycheck question.

Between March and April my 401(k) contribution plumeted to half of what it was the previous month and I made more in April than in March. As far as I know I didn't change anything at 401k.com and am kinda miffed.

UncleSam 05-17-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 812936)
I have a paycheck question.

Between March and April my 401(k) contribution plumeted to half of what it was the previous month and I made more in April than in March. As far as I know I didn't change anything at 401k.com and am kinda miffed.

Are you considering the whole month for both March and April? Take a look on the 401k.com site at the history of your account to see the $$ contributed and check your % of contribution amounts to see if it all matches. If it's wrong, call Fidelity first, then the ESC.

PilotFrog 05-17-2010 03:56 PM

No I figured it out. I went to 401K.com and somehow it had changed my contribution ammount. I recently changed the investments from the standard Fed 20XX to other funds, and I might have gone through too fast and not noticed it went back to 5%. Also when I tried to up it it said there was a max and maybe when the automatic 1% increase happened, that put me over the set limit (which can be disabled) of 10%. So now I read more carefully and still have the yearly increase, and it can go above 10% now.

Pineapple Guy 05-17-2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 812923)
PG, I'm sure you're a good drinking buddy but you ALWAYS come off as a condescending _____. And you have VERY good info and insights to offer. Your message is often not received because of it.

Wow. I apologize. A guy screws up his tax return. I suggest he consult a tax professional. And I get called for being a ____. I'm sorry.

I'll just let the IRS tell him he's wrong.... and then he can pay the back taxes... AND interest.... AND penalties....

Sorry I ever posted. :(

Elliot 05-17-2010 04:16 PM

PG,

Keep up the good posts.

Enjoy reading your "differing" views on certain things. Not that I agree with your "commuting is a choice" but, to each their own, right? Last time I checked, we do live in the U.S. of A, and everyone has the right to voice their own opinion on things. Just don't post it to this anonymous web board if it's against the TOS, or "differs" from mine. :D

As far as being called a --------. There'll always be someone getting their "panties" in a wad about the little things, take it with a grain of salt, and have another beer over it on your next lay over.

fly safe,

GJ

DLJK 05-17-2010 04:32 PM

It looks like Judge Cooper has ruled in favor of Delta in the Freedom Airlines litigation. There will soon be one less Delta Connection carrier.

Gunfighter 05-17-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812930)
Whats the over/under on the AE results?

My bet, 12:01pm on 5/18/2010.

We're using Georgia Mean Time, right? I'll take the overs.

ATL may not get much more senior, since they have a net gain in seats. NYC 7ER will also get a little more senior. Some of the CVG 7ER guys will bid to NYC and push the junior guys out. Glad to see the huge gain in widebody seats in DTW, it gives the CVG guys some options.

Superpilot92 05-17-2010 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLJK (Post 812954)
It looks like Judge Cooper has ruled in favor of Delta in the Freedom Airlines litigation. There will soon be one less Delta Connection carrier.

Got a link?

hoserpilot 05-17-2010 04:52 PM

"J U D G M E N T
This action having come before the court, Honorable Clarence Cooper, United States
District Judge at a bench trial on the merits on April 20-23, 2010, pursuant to an agreement
of the parties that the instant case proceed to trial notwithstanding Plaintiff’s bankruptcy filing,
and the court having found in favor of Defendant, it is
Ordered and Adjudged that judgment is hereby entered in favor of defendant Delta
Air Lines, Inc. against plaintiffs Mesa Air Group, Inc. and Freedom Airlines, Inc. for damages
In the amount of $2,938,723.00.
Dated at Atlanta, Georgia, this 17th day of May, 2010

Superpilot92 05-17-2010 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 812963)
"J U D G M E N T
This action having come before the court, Honorable Clarence Cooper, United States
District Judge at a bench trial on the merits on April 20-23, 2010, pursuant to an agreement
of the parties that the instant case proceed to trial notwithstanding Plaintiff’s bankruptcy filing,
and the court having found in favor of Defendant, it is
Ordered and Adjudged that judgment is hereby entered in favor of defendant Delta
Air Lines, Inc. against plaintiffs Mesa Air Group, Inc. and Freedom Airlines, Inc. for damages
In the amount of $2,938,723.00.
Dated at Atlanta, Georgia, this 17th day of May, 2010

that's great news for us, not so much for the guys at Mesa

crazypilot 05-17-2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 812965)
that's great news for us, not so much for the guys at Mesa

So what will happen to the routes they flew?? Just go away or just another dci carrier pick them. I know it's good for us to get out of that contract!!!

keenster 05-17-2010 05:36 PM

Sea Er A
 
Here is my bet on the award of SEA er a positions. Just for fun my guess is that it goes 61% DAL-S and 39% DAL-N. Just my guess. Looking for comments. What do you think Denny?:D

Professor 05-17-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 812943)
Wow. I apologize. A guy screws up his tax return. I suggest he consult a tax professional. And I get called for being a _______. I'm sorry.

I'll just let the IRS tell him he's wrong.... and then he can pay the back taxes... AND interest.... AND penalties....

Sorry I ever posted. :(

Dude, its not one...single....post.

Just take it as constructive criticism. Seriously.

I'm sure you are a good dude, it just gets old to see guys who really do know something about Momma D and/or what is going on communicate in condescending tones, barely masked disgust and incredibly unfunny sarcasm.

Sharing viewpoints in a constructive matter and communicating arguments w/o the SNARKY Master Caution on AND flashing, will only help educate people who read this unGodly long thread and hopefully help form consensus on what is and is not important in our '12 contract.

You are one of those dudes that can help educate.

Professor 05-17-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 812947)
PG,

Keep up the good posts.

Enjoy reading your "differing" views on certain things. Not that I agree with your "commuting is a choice" but, to each their own, right? Last time I checked, we do live in the U.S. of A, and everyone has the right to voice their own opinion on things. Just don't post it to this anonymous web board if it's against the TOS, or "differs" from mine.
:D
As far as being called a ______. There'll always be someone getting their "panties" in a wad about the little things, take it with a grain of salt, and have another beer over it on your next lay over.

fly safe,

GJ

GJ,

it's not PG's one post, at all.

and its hard to get panties in a wad when i rarely wear underwear.

that and insert a random mom joke here.

prof

alfaromeo 05-17-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 812963)
"J U D G M E N T
This action having come before the court, Honorable Clarence Cooper, United States
District Judge at a bench trial on the merits on April 20-23, 2010, pursuant to an agreement
of the parties that the instant case proceed to trial notwithstanding Plaintiff’s bankruptcy filing,
and the court having found in favor of Defendant, it is
Ordered and Adjudged that judgment is hereby entered in favor of defendant Delta
Air Lines, Inc. against plaintiffs Mesa Air Group, Inc. and Freedom Airlines, Inc. for damages
In the amount of $2,938,723.00.
Dated at Atlanta, Georgia, this 17th day of May, 2010

There were two parts to the trial. Delta wanted back payments for amounts that Mesa overbilled. The other part was Delta wanting out of the contract based on non-completion factor. Did they win that one too?

slowplay 05-17-2010 05:51 PM

Alfa,

This is copied from another forum It is supposedly written by Jonathan Ornstein from Mesa Air Group.


It is with extreme disappointment and a heavy heart that I share the following news with you. Earlier today we received notice that Judge Cooper in Atlanta had effectively reversed his earlier decision and ruled against us in the Delta litigation. Needless to say we are all very surprised that the judge determined Delta had the right to terminate our agreement solely on the basis that, in good faith and as good partners, we cancelled our flights at their request to make way for their flights during periods of irregular ops. We, the company and our people, are effectively being “punished” retroactively because we did what they asked us to do. I can tell you without equivocation that I was told directly by their Chief Operating Officer that cancellations we took at their request would not be held against us. This individual testified he said that as well. I am truly at a loss as to how this outcome is the intent of the law. Below you will find a press release that will be issued shortly.



We are in the process of evaluating our options and have not determined how this decision will impact the company. We will keep you fully informed as more information becomes available. In the mean time, we can only focus on those areas within our control by continuing to run a safe, on time airline in the service of our code share partners. I would like to thank each of you, and in particular our people at Freedom for your outstanding work through the very difficult environment we have experienced over the last two years. In spite of what we believe to be an incorrect decision by the Court, I remain as confident as ever that your professionalism and dedication will provide a strong foundation for the future and will serve as the basis for our return to success. As always feel free to contact me if you have any questions.



Most sincerely,



Jonathan

iaflyer 05-17-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 812991)
There were two parts to the trial. Delta wanted back payments for amounts that Mesa overbilled. The other part was Delta wanting out of the contract based on non-completion factor. Did they win that one too?

I haven't seen the verdict on the lawsuit, but over in the Regional forum, there's a post with a company memo from Ornstein. It says that they are amazed they lost, and JO specifically mentions the testimony of a Delta COO about "not counting the cancellations", and surprised that even with that testimony they lost. I think the cancellations stuff was a key part of the non-completion cancellation lawsuit, so I think Mesa lost that one too.

Maybe someone with PACER access can drum it up.

Edit: here's the press release:

PHOENIX, May 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. (Nasdaq:MESA - News) announced today that the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia ruled against the Company's subsidiary Freedom Airlines in its litigation with Delta Air Lines regarding Delta's efforts to terminate an agreement covering 22 regional jet aircraft. The litigation stemmed from Delta's asserted termination of the Freedom Airlines agreement based upon flights canceled at Delta's request, during periods of operational irregularity (bad weather and ATC delays) at JFK in order to make way for Delta's larger jets, which were then retroactively held against Freedom for purposes of calculating its minimum flight completion factor. Based upon this retroactive calculation, the Court had issued a preliminary injunction in June 2008 prohibiting Delta from terminating the agreement. In reaching its decision today, the Court reversed its prior preliminary injunction preventing Delta from terminating the agreement. The Company is in the process of reviewing the Order and evaluating options going forward. Mesa has not yet reviewed its options for appeal.

"We are extremely disappointed by the District Court's decision. We have at all times sought to act as a good partner and work with Delta as a member of Delta Connection. Unfortunately Freedom's willingness to proactively cancel flights in JFK at Delta's request for the benefit of Delta was held against Freedom and was used as the sole basis to terminate our contract. It is disheartening that our Company and people will be punished retroactively for taking actions in good faith at Delta's direction," said Jonathan Ornstein, Chairman and Chief Executive of Mesa Air Group.

"We are greatly concerned for our approximately 500 employees who will be significantly impacted as a result of this decision, despite their hard work and commitment which has placed Freedom's operation at or near the top of the Delta Connection portfolio over the last year. The loss of these jobs, particularly under these circumstances is extremely disappointing. I would like to thank all of the employees at Freedom for the outstanding job they have done over the last two years under extremely difficult circumstances," continued Mr. Ornstein.

RiddleEagle18 05-17-2010 06:00 PM

edit edit edit

BigGuns 05-17-2010 06:13 PM

Here is a link to the new report....

Mesa Air Group, Inc. Comments on Recent Court Proceedings - Yahoo! Finance

BigGuns 05-17-2010 06:19 PM

Quote:

"We are greatly concerned for our approximately 500 employees who will be significantly impacted as a result of this decision, despite their hard work and commitment which has placed Freedom's operation at or near the top of the Delta Connection portfolio over the last year. The loss of these jobs, particularly under these circumstances is extremely disappointing. I would like to thank all of the employees at Freedom for the outstanding job they have done over the last two years under extremely difficult circumstances," continued Mr. Ornstein.
Maybe if they had been operating "...at or near the top of the Delta Connection portfolio..." before the termination was enacted, they would not have been dropped in the 1st place.

keenster 05-17-2010 06:32 PM

Question for the contract/scheduling gurus out the. We used to do DTW-NGO-DTW in 3 days with a 15:45 layover. What rule or part of the contract requires it to be a 4 day trip now. Just want to know why I am sitting around an extra day here in Japan now. Getting tired of sushi.;)

satchip 05-17-2010 06:53 PM

How can you get tired of sushi? I could eat sushi every day!

nerd2009 05-17-2010 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 813022)
Question for the contract/scheduling gurus out the. We used to do DTW-NGO-DTW in 3 days with a 15:45 layover. What rule or part of the contract requires it to be a 4 day trip now. Just want to know why I am sitting around an extra day here in Japan now. Getting tired of sushi.;)

Ahhhhhhh yo need to go to the Awning and get some geoza and sapporo's :)

Bucking Bar 05-17-2010 07:51 PM

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Superpilot92 05-17-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 813062)
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Let me guess, Mecca time? ;)

acl65pilot 05-17-2010 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 812963)
"J U D G M E N T
This action having come before the court, Honorable Clarence Cooper, United States
District Judge at a bench trial on the merits on April 20-23, 2010, pursuant to an agreement
of the parties that the instant case proceed to trial notwithstanding Plaintiff’s bankruptcy filing,
and the court having found in favor of Defendant, it is
Ordered and Adjudged that judgment is hereby entered in favor of defendant Delta
Air Lines, Inc. against plaintiffs Mesa Air Group, Inc. and Freedom Airlines, Inc. for damages
In the amount of $2,938,723.00.
Dated at Atlanta, Georgia, this 17th day of May, 2010

That is the best news I have heard in a long long time.

johnso29 05-17-2010 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 813075)
That is the best news I have heard in a long long time.

What are you doing up? :p

BTW,

Mesa is BK, so who will pay DAL $2.9 Million?

acl65pilot 05-17-2010 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 813076)
What are you doing up? :p

BTW,

Mesa is BK, so who will pay DAL $2.9 Million?

IMHO, this is precedent setting and DAL could give two hoots about 2.9 million. They will go after their assets if they need to.

This ruling will mean a some not so great things for other DCI airlines.

acl65pilot 05-17-2010 08:22 PM

I have no idea why I am up, but I am.

Actually, I know why. I was giving reminders and editing out all of that potty language the guys got in to a few pages back. Darn TOS.

johnso29 05-17-2010 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 813079)
I have no idea why I am up, but I am.

Actually, I know why. I was giving reminders and editing out all of that potty language the guys got in to a few pages back. Darn TOS.

I'm glad you did it. I just got done flying 5 days in a row, & I think I missed about 60 pages! :eek:

Denny Crane 05-17-2010 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 812983)
Here is my bet on the award of SEA er a positions. Just for fun my guess is that it goes 61% DAL-S and 39% DAL-N. Just my guess. Looking for comments. What do you think Denny?:D


My bet would be 70/30. There are a lot of DAL-S guys up here that have been relegated to commuting (including present company:)) and now have the opportunity to be based were they live. It will be interesting to see the bid. I say it will be out by 4pm Mecca time on the 18th. I still have a chance.............I'm keeping my fingers crossed!:D

Denny

Maddog Waddle 05-17-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 813108)
My bet would be 70/30. There are a lot of DAL-S guys up here that have been relegated to commuting (including present company:)) and now have the opportunity to be based were they live. It will be interesting to see the bid. I say it will be out by 4pm Mecca time on the 18th. I still have a chance.............I'm keeping my fingers crossed!:D

Denny


Was thinking of bidding SEA, but I wonder about crashpad type locations? and I believe the 330 will draw down on the next bid anyway, so I wanna see that play out first. What are some good areas to live within say a 2 hour drive up that way?

Maddog Waddle 05-17-2010 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 813077)
IMHO, this is precedent setting and DAL could give two hoots about 2.9 million. They will go after their assets if they need to.

This ruling will mean a some not so great things for other DCI airlines.

So the 22 aircraft at Freedom that are a part of this ruling I thought might end up in your old stomping ground ACL, what do you think now?

Sink r8 05-18-2010 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 813108)
My bet would be 70/30. There are a lot of DAL-S guys up here that have been relegated to commuting (including present company:)) and now have the opportunity to be based were they live. It will be interesting to see the bid. I say it will be out by 4pm Mecca time on the 18th. I still have a chance.............I'm keeping my fingers crossed!:D

Good luck!

I think SEA will be very different for A's vs. B's. There aren't a lot of F/O's that used to be based in PDX or SEA for DAL, even if both positions naturally have people living in the Northwest. My guess is CA's go ridiculously senior, and F/O's go senior-junior, with the bottom half surprisingly junior. When I took a look, it appeared there were comparatively less pilots senior to me bidding SEA 7ERB, v.s. some of the current categories.

As far as "North vs. South", I would guess nearer to 50-50. I would also guess some 330 slots open on both sides, for a handful of people in each seat that are tired of Reserve. I would guess those are back-filled by North only. I haven't seen any South guy go to the 330 yet (not saying it's not happening). For whatever reason, I think the South guys look more to the 764, and the North guys the 330, when they're in that seniority range.

Imapilot2 05-18-2010 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle (Post 813113)
So the 22 aircraft at Freedom that are a part of this ruling I thought might end up in your old stomping ground ACL, what do you think now?


Me hopes they end up in the bucking desert!:cool:

scambo1 05-18-2010 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 813022)
Question for the contract/scheduling gurus out the. We used to do DTW-NGO-DTW in 3 days with a 15:45 layover. What rule or part of the contract requires it to be a 4 day trip now. Just want to know why I am sitting around an extra day here in Japan now. Getting tired of sushi.;)

-------------
Nothing - only ULH has to have the 48 hr layover.

Is the aircraft sitting there with you? Or is it being used? Sounds like a question for the SOT.

scambo1 05-18-2010 04:26 AM

Question for the moderators -
Do you guys have to read all the posts on this webboard?

Holy Cow! I have over 200 posts - only 10000 more to go to catch up to ACL

RockyBoy 05-18-2010 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 813119)
I haven't seen any South guy go to the 330 yet (not saying it's not happening).

A couple SLC 90 Captains bid to the 330 B position on the last bid so there are a couple.

NWA320pilot 05-18-2010 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 813022)
Question for the contract/scheduling gurus out the. We used to do DTW-NGO-DTW in 3 days with a 15:45 layover. What rule or part of the contract requires it to be a 4 day trip now. Just want to know why I am sitting around an extra day here in Japan now. Getting tired of sushi.;)

I have wondered the same thing and I have heard that there is something contractually that requires it to be a 4 day now, but I have never been able to figure it out for sure...... Now for me I get really tired of the NRT Radisson breakfast. :(

Superpilot92 05-18-2010 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle (Post 813113)
So the 22 aircraft at Freedom that are a part of this ruling I thought might end up in your old stomping ground ACL, what do you think now?

Arent the Freedom planes all ERJ-145's? His old stomping ground doesnt operate ERJ's so i doubt they'd take on a new type of aircraft just for 22 old beat up ERJs. Now the block hours may get shifted to other companies depending on what Ma DAL wants to do.


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