Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-01-2012 | 06:54 PM
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05-01-2012 | 06:55 PM
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I'm with Carl on this one... Yeah, they can JV outsource us from the top, and they can outsource us from the bottom. One of them they're up against their limit on, one of them they've shown no willingness to stop, one of them cause me 6 years furlough. I won't entertain giving them a single additional 76 seater to strengthen top-end scope... I don't care one bit to even LOOK at a pay-raise until scope is secure. Relaxing RJ scope even a few jets will chop me right off the bottom, so 100% pay increase means nothing to me in that case.
Any relaxing of RJ scope, no matter what the reason, is unacceptable to me and will get a NO vote.
05-01-2012 | 07:03 PM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
There has been a lot of talk about scope over the years. What we've seen in the past is that the company will take what we give away in scope and immediately run it right up to the limit, sometimes past it.
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
05-01-2012 | 07:18 PM
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Wait a second. I thought we decided scope is not for sale? Why are we arguing about more 76 seaters? It's not going to happen. There is no way ALPA lied to us again. Wait a second. They never did lie to us. ALPA will not tell us that no more airplanes will be outsourced. That could be a DFR suit from the regional pilots.
Any DCI deep throats out there?
05-01-2012 | 07:20 PM
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There has been a lot of talk about scope over the years. What we've seen in the past is that the company will take what we give away in scope and immediately run it right up to the limit, sometimes past it.
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
Excellent Post!
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05-01-2012 | 07:21 PM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
And furthermore...
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
05-01-2012 | 07:49 PM
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05-01-2012 | 08:00 PM
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And furthermore...
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
Opps, no cheerleading. Man Law
05-01-2012 | 08:52 PM
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05-01-2012 | 09:02 PM
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There has been a lot of talk about scope over the years. What we've seen in the past is that the company will take what we give away in scope and immediately run it right up to the limit, sometimes past it.
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
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