Yup. For all airlines. Our formula, and historic payouts, lead the industry.

Or we could look at our compensation, as in W2. A bottom line value. For hours flown last year by peers, who do you suppose had the highest W2 for hours flown?

Except you ignored the note in the Contract Comparison explaining the 5:39 ADG. You also chose to ignore the impact of FAR117 on the "potential" ADG at SWA. Ignoring them is ok, but they don't go away - or cease to relevant when making comparisons.

Ok. So if we trade our augmentation triggers to match the rest of the industry, you'll be cool with it? You won't point out where we had been leading the industry in augmentation (and widebody staffing)? Something tells me you wouldn't be calling it "debatable".

Actually your right. I did not factor in losses due to fleet mix. I doubt however we are that different from AMR or UAL. Certainly significant with SWA. Let's just use average pay per pilot!

Yeah you're right. I'll bet most pilots would be good if we were the highest paid yet had the worst work rules or third best vacation/reserve rules. Since of course you apparently speak for them. Just as long as we lead in one category, you get your "victory".

No Carl, I want the overall best contract. If that means we are the second highest paid pilots, I'm good with that. I guess we have to satisfy YOUR ego to be "successful".

I read a lot more ego coming out in your posts than I do in Carl's.

Agreed. The arrogance of the hyenas trying to beat down expectations while belching misguided talking points is pretty over the top. You can only hope they are management paid and not union FPL cowboys.

Out of all the stocks traded on the planet Goldman Sachs lists Delta Air Lines as their second choice for most upside. This is based upon financials (including fuel potentially going higher again). Yup, we better hurry and trade some of that profit sharing at a discount and settle for a mediocre C2015. I'm sure 2016, 2017 will be even worse (add sarcasm face here).

Goldman: Here's Where*U.S. Investors Should Put Their Money for the Rest of the Year - Bloomberg Business

"Goldman Sachs Chief U.S. Equity Strategist David Kostin is out with his latest U.S. quarterly chartbook, which offers some guidance for the rest of the year."

"The note included a table of the stocks they see having the most upside...Top names...Delta Air Lines"

PRO/CON Papers
 

Guys,

Remember these? What are the chances we see a PRO/CON paper on this next TA?

I thought they were great in that they laid out the good and the bad vice giving just one side of the TA.

Scoop

Zero. Donatelli said so at last 44 LEC meeting. Guy in the crowd asked.

I believe an independent study group has already been put into place.

Members are responsible for sections of the contract and are going to start with language addition and subtraction and follow with a pro con as I understand it.

two answers

in this thread, no thats impossible. carl said it would be zero because we cant cost that and that ra would tell the shareholders to expect no profits

in the real world, yes i expect we will see the ptix in the 6-7 range this year and next that will translate to about a 20 percent ps payment and alpo better not give that away to fund other improvements

more than happy to move a big chunk into hard pay but that can only happen separately and on top of our next contract and better not be hidden, big no vote and dpa card going in if it gets brushed under the rug like c2012

i dont like leaving such a big piece of my income at the hands of good or bad management decisions yes i know its in their hands already to a large extent, bk laws aint what they used to be and without a pension to steal ill take as much money in my own name as soon as possible as often as possible.

i dont trust big ps longterm things cuz things go bad, my pension, furlough, SLI and merger "targeting" have proved that