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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1699470)
You forgot the joint venture scope.
Carl |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1699554)
I thought the 12 yr 757 CA rate was around $219-220 before y'all took the first "Recovery compact" cuts?
The Nov. 2004 12yr 757 CA was $186.97 after the cut. The post-BK cut dropped to $142.28 in 2007...ouch. Am I sourcing the correct contract info for you? Carl |
Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
(Post 1699632)
He indeed does. It's ironic that he and others want the payrates/contract of fDAL but not the mindset/culture/MEC that got those rates......
You really need to get over yourself. The Delta mindset/culture/MEC did some good things. So did NWA's. The Delta mindset/culture/MEC also did some terrible things. Do did NWA's. In so many ways, this was truly a merger of equals. It's still such a facepalming surprise when I see such examples of the undeservedly proud exhibited by folks like you, shiznit and alfaromeo. Carl |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1699701)
Translation: "Since I can't win based on the merit of my argument, I'll try slinging a little mud and see if I can cast doubts on his credibility."
You must really be a DALPA insider, Shiz! Carl |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1699739)
Of course John Malone brought the E170/175 to DCI and thought that was a good decision.
Carl |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1699767)
This statement keeps getting repeated and is just false...
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1699767)
...First, almost every NWA pilot stayed on the NWA work rules throughout 2009, so when people say they took a pay cut because of DAL work rules it doesn't make sense...
...So we all got fewer hours in 2009 which was acceptable, but to hear that you got screwed in the deal rings a little false in my mind... Carl |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1699807)
it is likely that many/most of the pilots displaced off the whale cant hold the 777, so yes, they will displace to lower paying equipment (capts...the FOs may displace to capt or something that pays less). However, Jerry's waterfall will be mitigated by A330 arrivals (IMO). So, it's unlikely there will be a cascade through the list.
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Alfa, regarding Clowns on Fire:
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1699848)
real adults will look at you as if you are insane.
Real adults already do. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1699844)
...and your DC percentage went up 1%. If that doesn't mean anything to you then send it to me. If not, then don't pretend that it's not money.
Maybe YOU would like to send ME the $$$ I have lost so far this year from the DC plan vs what I was getting monthly, regardless of how little I flew, up until 12/31/13. If not, then don't pretend that it's not money that I'm not getting anymore, and that your chart is accurate. Once again, don't let FACTS stand in the way of your agenda... |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1699785)
What are you missing? This:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Compounded.JPG We have had consistent annual returns even when it put us far out of our peers market. Please let me know what reasons there are for the differences between the left side of the chart and the right side of the chart. In my mind, we shook up the industry so much that even with those massive pay raises, they still have not caught up to us. I am sure you have a better explanation. Look at all those zeros on the left side of the chart and give me some explanation for those. At the time of the merger, your A-320 pay rate was $139.00 per hour with an average of 6% defined contribution rate for an effective rate of $147.34. Now you have a pay rate of $203.21 with a 15% DC and an effective rate of $233.69. That is an $86,000 per year increase in 5 years and an average of almost 12% per year. I am not sure if you have paid any attention at all to the rest of the world during the last 5 years, but if you went to almost anyone who is not a professional athlete, you would find looks of shock and disbelief if you tried to convince them that nothing good has happened to you lately. Show me the compounding on our executives 300% to 700% compensation increases since chapter 11. You won't and we know why. You and I both know the freight trains coming. The sales job talking points almost done. Try explaining to anyone how the Delta pilots hourly rate is 18% to 20% lower than it was over a decade ago. Real people, real faces. No inflation. Record profits. Billions to shareholders. You sold it once and you will sell it again. Longer freezes are good!! This is a win! Disregard the loss of jobs. It's good to include the JV scope violation in this deal! Funding our increases with profit sharing is smart! Will the pilots buy in again? Will they believe the threats? Will they believe their is nothing more on the table? Time will tell. Jerry |
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