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gzsg 08-05-2014 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1699593)
Yeah Jerry,
No pay banding. Let all those whale and 777 guys take the lion's share of paycuts, I couldn't care less about them anyway.

So there.

Tsquare

You lost me. Are we taking pay cuts now?

The 2004 rate plus inflation for the 7ER is above $330/hr so the 777 rate must be close to $400/hr.

I care about every pilot.

The happiest day in my career was the day the Delta pilots eliminated probation pay. That is how you do business!! Selfless and visionary.

Thank you all for that day!

Let's win together.

Jerry

DAL 88 Driver 08-05-2014 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1699601)
The 2004 rate plus inflation for the 7ER is above $330/hr so the 777 rate must be close to $400/hr.

$401.33 to be exact.

gzsg 08-05-2014 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1699598)
Speaking of C2K 2004 rates..hearing a rumor that RA wants another early deal to validate the "labor peace" advantage to Wall St. and has floated the idea of 2004 pay (not adjusted for inflation) for a 3yr extension to our current PWA.

Can anybody else corroborate?

I have not heard that, but it is right where we will end up at the end of the deal. 2018.

It will include longer freezes and we will fund the increases with reduced profit sharing.

On the surface it may seem good, but it will be a repeat of C2012.

If it is 2004 rates date of signing without concessions, that is a horse of a different color.

Jerry

gzsg 08-05-2014 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1699605)
$401.33 to be exact.

Thanks!! Not a bad pay cut.

tsquare 08-05-2014 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1699601)

You lost me. Are we taking pay cuts now?

Three whales giung to the desert. Pilots at the top of the food chain being displaced. Bigger pays more. You do the math.

Rather B Fishin 08-05-2014 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1699575)
Shiz,
In case you didn't know... Jerry works for Delta now. The Delta 757 CA rate in 2004 was $267.52. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $335.92 today.

He indeed does. It's ironic that he and others want the payrates/contract of fDAL but not the mindset/culture/MEC that got those rates......

DAL 88 Driver 08-05-2014 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1699632)
He indeed does. It's ironic that he and others want the payrates/contract of fDAL but not the mindset/culture/MEC that got those rates......

Maybe you and I have a different recollection of history here. I think he would like the mindset/culture/MEC that got C2K. But NOT the mindset/culture/MEC that got us to where we are today. Completely different animals.

orvil 08-05-2014 10:02 AM

In 2004, I made 237/hour on the 73NG/A. In 2014, I make 210/hour on the 73NG/A. I am now the same percentage in category today as I was in 2004.

Forget inflation in the calculation for a moment. I still need a 13% increase to get back to that point. This isn't including work rule give backs, loss of pension or lack of progression due to merger and age 65.

We are no where near restored. We have a ways to go.

Now you can include inflation in your calculation.

DAL 88 Driver 08-05-2014 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1699654)
In 2004, I made 237/hour on the 73NG/A. In 2014, I make 210/hour on the 73NG/A. I am now the same percentage in category today as I was in 2004.

Forget inflation in the calculation for a moment. I still need a 13% increase to get back to that point. This isn't including work rule give backs, loss of pension or lack of progression due to merger and age 65.

We are no where near restored. We have a ways to go.

Now you can include inflation in your calculation.

Excellent point, Orvil!

gzsg 08-05-2014 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1699622)
Three whales giung to the desert. Pilots at the top of the food chain being displaced. Bigger pays more. You do the math.

No one is getting displaced.

You do not begin to understand the waterfall. The training pipeline is full. The sims are full.

Running the reverse waterfall off the 747 would create hundreds of additional initial training events.

Why do you think Steve wants to talk to the association?


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