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Originally Posted by Superdad
(Post 1902204)
June 11, 2015
(pdf is attached as a viewing option) Council 66 pilots, After 10 long and arduous meetings and hundreds of hours of debate, direction, debate, redirection, and debate, the Delta MEC has approved the TA for membership ratification. Achieving this TA was not easy. The expedited timeline in no way diminishes the work and dedication that has been put into this process. We accomplished in six months what other carriers take three years to achieve. My goal is to provide the Council 66 pilots with my perspective of the process, the facts of the TA, and to shed light on the debates we had at the MEC level. Instead of inundating you with pages of information, I plan to release a number of shorter updates to keep the discussion and debate ongoing. I would humbly ask that we all evaluate the TA calmly and professionally. Do not allow yourself to fall prey to emotion and diatribe. There will be a tremendous amount of information coming your way. Please take the time to educate yourselves as much as possible on the TA. Read the information that the Association sends you, go to road shows, and call and e-mail your reps. Take the time to visit with your reps and P2P volunteers in the lounge. Engage and interact. At the beginning of this process Delta MEC chairman Captain Mike Donatelli promised the Delta pilots a historic contract. I believe he made good on his promise. The proposed 2017 and 2018 pay rates put the Delta pilots above the high water marks of both carrier’s previous rates. This rate is 3.78% above the Delta C2K rates in 2004 and 23.7% above the Northwest bridge agreement rates in 2003. This does not include any profit sharing. The TA proposed pay rates have four captain category aircraft rates above $300 an hour. The smallest category captain rate is north of $200 dollars an hour. This contract achieves restoration. The pay rates for captains exceed the combined captain and first officer rates from just 10 years ago. The pay rates achieved in this TA have never been seen by this pilot group, or our peers for that matter. This TA brings the EMB190 aircraft to mainline Delta. This TA does not only pay Delta pilots the highest rates in the industry, but does so with a healthy margin. Is that margin “healthy” enough for some? There are those who will say “no.” There are those who will say “yes,” and there is a wide middle ground who will say “I’m not quite sure.” This debate and internal struggle was played out over and over and over again at the MEC. No representative came to this decision lightly or easily. In fact, I am more proud than ever to wear the uniform of a Delta pilot after personally witnessing the process play out. I specifically said the process and not the outcome. The process was a year’s worth of work, mapped, planned, and executed. The process was vigorous and rigorous debate. The process allowed 19 status reps with the backing of 12,800+ pilots to ultimately achieve an outcome. The outcome is for you, the Delta pilots, to decide. The outcome has always been and will always be left in the hands of the individual pilot. That is the true beauty of this process. You and your family will be the ultimate arbiter of this TA. I mentioned earlier that it’s easy to weigh this TA in a vacuum. Unfortunately for us, we don’t operate our aircraft in a vacuum, and Delta doesn’t execute its business plan in a vacuum. By understanding our environment and the challenges we face, it makes weighing the TA much more complex. That will be a discussion for next time. There is a reason the C66 pilots of Delta Air Lines are the most professional. I ask that you use your professionalism and crew resource management skills when evaluating this TA. Expand your team, avail yourself of the resources we will be providing, and exercise good situational awareness. Thank you, Dave Ok, this guy needs to be sent home. Vote no! |
Somebody needs to create a Facebook page for this TA. Not all guys read this board. We need to use any medium we can to get the word out about how bad this TA is. I don't have a Facebook account or I'd do it myself.
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 1902210)
didn't he vote no?
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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman
(Post 1902219)
NY CAPT & FO reps voted no. Great guys!! Dave is Sec. Treas. he didn't get a vote.
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Professor--?
Professor:
*With the JV moving from seats to block hours, what is our current ratio? What will the no. of hours be at 50% and 49%? What is the loss in number of flights per month/year based on those decreases? *Why is the company claiming the order for the E190's contingent on this TA ratification? Why can't they just order the jets? We do have current agreements in place for setting the rates on new equipment, correct? *What was the costing portion used for agreeing to parking 75% of LOE lines? My guess is the 180 jobs, not the effect on all 7000+ FOs at DAL. Please confirm basis (not $ amounts). *Why were the JV ratios reset to 50% versus at lease current baseline? Even now the company is out of compliance with the current agreement, correct? *Will there be any more communication on the JV grievance settlement and are there any further protections added to it? Thanks for your time. |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 1902210)
didn't he vote no?
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Originally Posted by Superdad
(Post 1902213)
Somebody needs to create a Facebook page for this TA. Not all guys read this board. We need to use any medium we can to get the word out about how bad this TA is. I don't have a Facebook account or I'd do it myself.
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The pay increases are bad enough on their own but keep in mind the concessions being discussed here in regards to JV scope, LOE trips, sick leave, and profit sharing are never ever going to be regained if lost now. I don't care how good the negotiating environment is next time we will never regain what we lose here.
Each one of these issues on their own is an automatic no vote for me. |
Originally Posted by EdGrimley
(Post 1901996)
To those hiding behind "Tim is DPA" excuse to not make a change...
Where's the outrage when it comes to things ten times worse at DALPA than anything Tim has every said or done?? Ignoring pilot input whether it be throwing pilot survey results in the waste bin (don't waste your breath telling me I don't know that because I haven't seen the survey ALPA wont share...that BS talking point has run its course). Shutting down the DALPA message board, censoring the Delta MEC Facebook page by removing hundreds of posts, DALPA reps ignoring their constituents in an attempt to steamroller a POS TA forward with slight of hand and a FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT campaign! In some countries this activity would be considered treason and get you hanged, drawn and quartered. Clearly, DALPA has shown through their actions, they neither want nor care what the membership has to say. It's top down politics at it's worst! Most of what I have seen from DPA has been a passionate attempt to get pilots represented again with accountability (block representation, easier to kick out reps who get in bed with management, vote for your union president, cut waist such as $30,000 ALPA oil paintings and free liquor and pricey hotels for those who clearly do not answer to the dues paying membership). Again, where is the outrage when it comes to the outlandish sins committed by DALPA?? You try to smear Tim's name telling us he's just a disgruntled NWA guy who lost seniority BS. Tim is a freaking saint compared to some of the DALPA insiders who brought us this TA. Please show some willingness to examine the mote in your own eye (DALPA) before trying to remove from another who would likely serve this pilot group much better. All that said, Tim has stated repeatedly, and it's in the Delta Pilots Association bylaws, the membership will directly elect their leadership. Tim will not be elected. End of story. Nice rant. But the simple fact of the matter is that under his years worth of leadership, dpa has gone nowhere, despite all the things you mentioned that are going on. You can try and make it out to be about a smear campaign as much as you want, but the results are what I'm talking about. Anyway, enough on that. This isn't the dpa thread. . . |
I love the line from "Dave" in council 66's letter:
"This TA brings the EMB190 aircraft to mainline Delta." No it doesn't. We already own that flying. The company can already bring as many of those as they want. |
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